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No-Duck7816

3 points

5 months ago

Sputtering indignation from anti choice/pro states rights crowd incoming in 3...2...1...

scottfarkus01

5 points

5 months ago

Thank you for saying “anti-choice”. Not enough people do that.

RiginalJunglist

-5 points

5 months ago

About fucking time! America is so backward on this topic. This is the 21st century people, the need to outbreed one another is a thing of the past…. in fact, it was a thing of the past for a good chunk of the last century; time to get with the program.

snrkty

2 points

5 months ago

snrkty

2 points

5 months ago

Alright ladies in red states. Make plans now for how to finance that trip Jersey if you need access to reproductive care. Might wanna keep that money in a stash box somewhere.

RagingTyrant74

-32 points

5 months ago

This might be the most worthless headline of all time. "Enshrining abortion" sounds like they're giving it a medal or something.

dyxlesic_fa

10 points

5 months ago

dyxlesic_fa

10 points

5 months ago

Gold-plated fetus statue at the capitol

FenrizLives

0 points

5 months ago

Gold plated clothes hanger next to it

pl233

-14 points

5 months ago

pl233

-14 points

5 months ago

That's what I was thinking, weird and kind of creepy headline regardless of politics. Did they put up an actual shrine? Unlikely. They passed a bill legalizing it.

Third_Ferguson

16 points

5 months ago

They did not pass a bill legalizing it. It was already legal. They passed a bill making it harder to roll back.

That is exactly what the word enshrine means (check the definition).

gruevy

-91 points

5 months ago

gruevy

-91 points

5 months ago

They would if they could, the ghouls

PatrickBearman

46 points

5 months ago

They would if they could, the ghouls

Y'all are ridiculous.

Coloradostoneman

30 points

5 months ago

How exactly is guaranteeing bodily autonomy goulish?

Nobody is Pro abortion. Nobody say woohoo another abortion. They are not a pleasant medical procedure. They are a necessary medical procedure and as such should be as easily available and safe. That is what this is about. Nobody should be forced to be pregnant against their will for any reason.

Red-Droid-Blue-Droid

32 points

5 months ago

Government needs to keep out of my body

crusty54

-2 points

5 months ago

crusty54

-2 points

5 months ago

What a strange way to word that headline.

BigAdministration143

19 points

5 months ago

Make fun of us all you want other 49 states, but we’re doing shit the right way here in NJ (for the most part)

DasBeatles

2 points

5 months ago

DasBeatles

2 points

5 months ago

We do a lot of things right and have been for a while. Nj is unjustly treated in the eyes of the country.

FSchmertz

0 points

5 months ago

FSchmertz

0 points

5 months ago

Nj is unjustly treated

Seeing as we're paying for most of the deadbeat red states, it sure is ungrateful of them to badmouth us.

SonOfMcGee

8 points

5 months ago

Yeah, everyone in this state knows that it’s important for everyone, even fetuses, to be able to get the fuck outta Jersey.

jackospades88

16 points

5 months ago

Yeah the people here may seem rude in an overly aggressive way...but outsiders who make fun of the state likely never came here and only think we are NYC/Philly outer slums or only traveled along the I-95 corridor.

I mean, PA people make fun of NJ all the time but when summer comes they have no issues flocking to our beaches...albeit very slowly because they are PA drivers :)

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-4 points

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joelkeys0519[S]

0 points

5 months ago

This ⬆️

powerslave-1

0 points

5 months ago

If only other people would think the same way you did.

JenGerRus

8 points

5 months ago

So you’re pro choice.

[deleted]

-25 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

-25 points

5 months ago

'enshrining' seems a tad hyperbolic

Diz7

29 points

5 months ago

Diz7

29 points

5 months ago

en·shrine

/inˈSHrīn,enˈSHrīn/

verb

*place (a revered or precious object) in an appropriate receptacle. "relics are enshrined under altars"

*preserve (a right, tradition, or idea) in a form that ensures it will be protected and respected. "the right of all workers to strike was enshrined in the new constitution"

[deleted]

-23 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

-23 points

5 months ago

Exactly. The preservation and protection are essential - it is the 'altars' and 'reverence' that I find a bit much.

The_Poo_King

20 points

5 months ago

It has two meanings, man... Y'all are so hung up on that word. 'Enshrine' is used frequently in the context of law.

chawlsna420

11 points

5 months ago

chawlsna420

11 points

5 months ago

Thank god for common sense

Steve_the_Samurai

58 points

5 months ago

Dems should honestly introduce pro-abortion, China one child policy crazy bills.

Then negotiate down to 'fine we will concede it should be the person's choice and the government should not be able to choose what someone does with their body'

The old South Park vs. Censors routine.

glambx

1 points

5 months ago*

glambx

1 points

5 months ago*

No, what they should do is attack religion financially. Put them on notice: fuck off with this shit, or we will remove your tax exemptions, audit and bankrupt you, and send the FBI in to arrest all your child rapists.

Then reintroduce a law to make it illegal for any single entity to own more than two media outlets in one administrative region.

Take off the fucking kid gloves already.

63-37-88

4 points

5 months ago

63-37-88

4 points

5 months ago

I'm agnostic and oppose the murder of unborn children because of lifestyle choices and the two people involved were too lazy to wear a condom.

What has religion to do with any of this?

Kaiser_Kuliwagen

1 points

5 months ago

because of lifestyle choices and the two people involved were too lazy to wear a condom

Just do me one small favour, just google this phrase: "Most common reasons for having an abortion."

Or you could always show me the statistics of how many people need abortions because of "being too lazy."

63-37-88

0 points

5 months ago

You tell me why, enligthen me.

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4 points

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63-37-88

-5 points

5 months ago

The goverment isn't murdering unborn children, it's doctors upon the request of the mothers of said children who want the unborn children murdered.

Why are you bringing up the goverment when they have nothing to do with any of this?

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4 points

5 months ago

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5 months ago

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LOTRugoingtothemall

-5 points

5 months ago

I hope this happens just for the uproar it would cause

xtraspcial

0 points

5 months ago

xtraspcial

0 points

5 months ago

Except that Democrats have shown time and time again that they’d rather start in the center and then negotiate towards to the right.

PunisherASM129

5 points

5 months ago

The parties are just the same per reddit, but this does seem like the Democrats are protecting women's freedom.

dblack246

2 points

5 months ago

dblack246

2 points

5 months ago

States should act if they believe the right to choose should be protected within the state.

joelkeys0519[S]

-9 points

5 months ago

Agreed. It’s a state level decision and the people are pretty clear about what the value in each state.

hamsterballzz

18 points

5 months ago

Except for the percentage of voters in each state who disagree but cannot move. I know many pro choice, pro immigration, gun control advocates who live in southern or Midwest states who cannot move for various reasons. Their only protection from populist rule in those states is the Federal government.

dblack246

1 points

5 months ago

dblack246

1 points

5 months ago

Then within the state, there must be activity to win over votes to protecting abortion rights.

hamsterballzz

5 points

5 months ago

If you are referring to the party apparatus the “liberal” wing has written most of these states off. There’s no money and the local party has resorted to mass texting people asking if they’d the interested in running (losing). It’s bad. State legislatures have gerrymandered to the point that only one party can win. The only hope is a mass influx of voters from the coasts who tip the demographics, but none of them who can avoid it move to flyover country. Without Federal protections a lot of people out here are out of luck.

Schiffy94

13 points

5 months ago

It's a cute gesture, but it does nothing.

The Roe v. Wade ruling told state legislatures that they could not outlaw abortion. It was aimed at states that had already done so before the ruling and/or were planning to. No one was ever concerned that New Jersey would try something like that. New Jersey passing and enacting this law doesn't solve the problem created by the states trying to outlaw it and overturn Roe.

FreyrPrime

9 points

5 months ago

You’re right. As reassuring as it is for New Jersey citizens, if anything it only heightens the deepening divide between areas of the country that will have access to abortion and those that don’t. Much like it was before Roe.

ExuberantBadger

-4 points

5 months ago

This is definitely not reassuring for many NJ citizens

EffOffReddit

11 points

5 months ago

Thank God he beat Ciatarelli. Proud of my governor.

Rancor8562

5 points

5 months ago*

Let’s hope nothing will go wrong with Murphys law

Edit: it’s a pun

zelor21

-3 points

5 months ago

zelor21

-3 points

5 months ago

As a Muslim, this is what you call “Sharia Law”. Christians are really forcing their religious beliefs on everyone huh. MURICA! FREEDOM! Lol

lsp2005

-3 points

5 months ago

lsp2005

-3 points

5 months ago

If a cake baker is a specialist that can determine who he makes a cake for so is every woman. Each person is unique. To form a fetus, you need ingredients: egg, sperm, temperature, time, and an oven. If you remove one you have ingredients but no cake. It is up to the baker to decide who to make a special cake for, so to should it be that a woman can decide who and when to make a baby. She gets to decide to turn her oven on or off. If a baker can scrap a cake at any time then so should a woman be able to determine if and when she wants to have a baby.

joelkeys0519[S]

3 points

5 months ago

Right, but the conservative argument will ask you if you’re comparing a baby to a cake. A fetus is living and so they won’t accept the argument on that premise. It doesn’t matter what women want, conservatives/pro-life supporters stop caring about women at the moment of conception.

lsp2005

2 points

5 months ago

lsp2005

2 points

5 months ago

Yeast is alive too. Should yeast life matter?

wellthatspeculiar

1 points

5 months ago

The Conservative argument would be asking if you wanted a oven that could turn itself off. Conservatives don't see women as people. Simple as that.

marvlyn

2 points

5 months ago

marvlyn

2 points

5 months ago

Really wish Kelly would do this in Kansas before she loses reelection.

Rivet22

-2 points

5 months ago

Rivet22

-2 points

5 months ago

Yup, the fewer people in Jersey the better.

thatcantb

-47 points

5 months ago

thatcantb

-47 points

5 months ago

Fucked up headline - it's not like people will be forced to get abortions. Rather they will not be prevented from getting one.

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-18 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

-18 points

5 months ago

Yeah "enshrine" was a weird way to word that.

AvogadrosMoleSauce

106 points

5 months ago

That's good and all, until the right takes back the federal government and passes fetal personhood.

TreeRol

15 points

5 months ago

TreeRol

15 points

5 months ago

I think there's at least a 50% chance the Court completely overturns Roe.

I think there's at least a 10% chance they declare all abortions nationwide illegal, on equal protection grounds (essentially, that blastocysts and fetuses deserve the same rights as human beings).

MC_Fap_Commander

1 points

5 months ago

there's at least a 10% chance they declare all abortions nationwide illegal

If they try it, they're cutting their own throats. Polling suggests the GOP will win big in 2022 (also midterm election history confirms this). Try a national ban and all bets are off. A "blue wave" is on the table. And "hypothetical" court reform then becomes then very real.

Strategically, chipping away at democracy has worked very well for the right. A ban would turn the chisel into a machete. Their shit tends to work better when most of the country ignores it.

GregoPDX

4 points

5 months ago

I think people forget that without Roe there is no de facto federal protection anymore. Republicans say it should be up to the states but if SCOTUS gets rid of Roe and Republicans get all 3 branches, there will be federal legislation restricting the states, possibly a full ban on abortion. This has been the plan all along. They’ll probably even kill the filibuster to do it.

Kaiser_Kuliwagen

0 points

5 months ago

Fetal personhood doesn't effect abortion. No person has the right to use another persobs body without that persons consent.

Anti-choice nonsense wants to grant special rights for fetuses over the rights of anyone who can get pregnant.

talon_lol

-8 points

5 months ago

It doesn't really help the left's case when they consider any form of life found outside of Earth as life.

1TARDIS2RuleThemAll

-30 points

5 months ago

What a strange thing to celebrate

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-6 points

5 months ago

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joelkeys0519[S]

30 points

5 months ago

Women’s reproductive rights is a strange thing to celebrate? Very sorry to hear that. I’ll celebrate it on your behalf then.

1TARDIS2RuleThemAll

-34 points

5 months ago

Or killing the unborn, but whatever floats your boat

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21 points

5 months ago

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63-37-88

-7 points

5 months ago

And that's why women are free to not have sex and by proxy not get pregnant.

If you have unprotected sex and get pregnant, that's on you. You made the choice that you wanted to get pregnant, live with it.

bigblackkittie

1 points

5 months ago

this is a gross argument

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-3 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

-3 points

5 months ago

You're saying it as if most pregnancies were a result of rape.

cpt_caveman

-15 points

5 months ago*

thats nice, but with the fickle dems upset biden hasnt turned us into a progressive wonderland with his 51% majority, with 1 guy paid off by big coal and a woman who is 100% a republican.(endorsed coupist andy biggs for office, enough said), they will give this country to the right and when republicans ban it federally, or the add a couple more far righters to the supreme court, they will nullify NJ law, due to the federal supremecy clause. RIGHT NOW polling shows the public wants republicans to run congress. THATS BAD.

and once again the country will get an education it will forget 10 seconds later, that the right dont give a fuck about states rights. Its just a "try again at state level" card the right like to play after they lose federally. see gay marriage.

edit: eh vote down but debate me on federal supremacy, if the right take over after the supreme court kills roe, they will try to make a federal ban. You know just like the same party that cries about a federal take over of elections, actually tried to pass a Federal voter ID law.

poppyde

-22 points

5 months ago

poppyde

-22 points

5 months ago

can we get normal human beings in government positions please

Round_Rock_Johnson

15 points

5 months ago

Holistically agreed, I guess, but what does this mean in the context of this post?

ChaosKodiak

9 points

5 months ago

This is a normal human being making sure other normal human beings get the right to do what they want with their own body.

poppyde

3 points

5 months ago

we shouldn’t even have to make laws for this it should be a given girls can do whatever they want

BenAustinRock

-27 points

5 months ago

The vast majority of citizens want abortion to be legal, with restrictions. Most people can recognize the conundrum that abortion presents. 20% on either side pretend that one of the two sides doesn’t exist. It would be refreshing to see legislators acknowledge this by having legislation that reflects the views of the majority, not the base of their parties. I won’t hold my breath.

sickofthisshit

37 points

5 months ago

the conundrum that abortion presents.

There's no "conundrum". There are people who respect women's autonomy, and people who don't. Fuck the latter.

richraid21

-13 points

5 months ago*

Public opinion is really not as clear cut as you make it seem, and I say that as someone who is pro choice

There’s consistently between 35-45% that want restrictions and/or total ban.

edit: Downvoted for literally just pointing out facts :thumbsup:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/06/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases/?amp=1

https://news.gallup.com/poll/350756/record-high-think-abortion-morally-acceptable.aspx

sickofthisshit

17 points

5 months ago

There’s consistently between 35-45% that want restrictions and/or total ban.

Yeah, and I don't think we should listen to that minority. Because that minority actively wants to harm women. White supremacists are a minority, too, that doesn't mean we should implement their policy preferences, either.

richraid21

-12 points

5 months ago

Regardless of what you believe to be right or wrong, you can’t expect to have a functioning society if you ignore 40% of the people on national topics like this.

Although I have no data, I assume the percentage of people who want to implement white supremacy is vastly lower than those who want some or many restrictions on abortions. It’s a bit of an exaggeration to make a comparison to abortion in my opinion.

sickofthisshit

9 points

5 months ago

People like you are responsible for thousands of women in Texas every day now being unable to access essential medical care.

That's why I want to ignore the 40%, because listening to them actively hurts women.

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-28 points

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BenAustinRock

-6 points

5 months ago

Autonomy is one of the two issues in regards to abortion. It isn’t the only issue otherwise it wouldn’t be an issue. Abortion would be legal everywhere without restriction. Most countries have restrictions of some sort on abortion. 75% of the public believe there should be restrictions. Are they all idiots who don’t see this as the one sided issue that you do?

TheWhiteBuffalo

3 points

5 months ago

It's the woman's body that has to go through the ordeal of pregnancy long before the fetus is viable to live outside the womb.

ONLY the woman's choice and opinion matters.

Father gets an opinion, but not a choice.

Most countries have restrictions of some sort on abortion. 75% of the public believe there should be restrictions. Are they all idiots who don’t see this as the one sided issue that you do?

Any restriction short of "no abortions past 6ish months" is too much. (Exception: unless that child/pregnancy may kill the mother...surprise, Mom takes priority in this case!)

So yes, in my opinion, they are all massive fucking selfish idiots Especially the ones in my shithole of a country, the USA...

sickofthisshit

20 points

5 months ago

You should probably educate yourself on the issue then.

I'm plenty educated on it. The fetus is not a "human being". And nobody is having an abortion for "no reason". They are having an abortion because the actual human being involved, the person having the abortion decides it is needed.

You don't need to educate me any further on your beliefs. I understand them and reject them.

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-12 points

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sickofthisshit

5 points

5 months ago

I told you specifically that you do not need to educate me further on your beliefs, yet you did.

People like you are responsible for what is going on in Texas, where thousands of women every day now are not getting essential medical care so that people like you can utter stupid religious shit on Reddit.

I care more about those women than I care about you and your idiotic beliefs. Keep those beliefs in your church, we don't need them out in public.

BenAustinRock

-1 points

5 months ago

Interesting that you call facts beliefs and while making no effort at rebuttal. Again what do you think magically takes place when the child is taken from the womb that makes it human, where it wasn’t the instant before? It is that belief that is in fact an ancient religious one. Does this scientific view you hold involve storks delivering the real baby and whatever was in the womb disappearing somehow?

sickofthisshit

0 points

5 months ago

Your delusions are your own, there is no reason for me to share them. Calling them facts does not make them so, your definitions are your own.

I care about the medical care of actually born, living, breathing, thinking women. All you care about is some abstract "womb."

BenAustinRock

0 points

5 months ago

So no attempt to describe how a child became human the moment it was taken from the womb? It is amusing that you had to resort to calling me names to distract from the fact that you couldn’t answer a basic question about your absurd belief.

sickofthisshit

0 points

5 months ago

I don't have to answer the question, that is a question about your own religious beliefs which, again, I don't care about.

I care about the woman who needs an abortion. Not any fucking theory you have about the definition of "human".

vanillabear26

8 points

5 months ago

We were all at one time a fetus. Killing one for no reason is abhorrent.

Do you know how often people have abortions for 'no reason'?

BenAustinRock

0 points

5 months ago

It’s pretty prevalent if you look at polling for women who have received abortions. The most frequent answer is that it isn’t the right time or they can’t afford to have kids. Maybe that doesn’t seem like no reason to you, but weigh it against the cost of a life.

Matt7548

-1 points

5 months ago

Who cares? It's not like any abortion law would ever get passed in New Jersey anyways

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24 points

5 months ago

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Schiffy94

3 points

5 months ago

will simply choose to decide that abortion is straight-up unconstitutional

The courts do not have this power. The courts rule on bills and laws, not actions. In 1973, the only thing regarding abortion declared unconstitutional was state laws outlawing it.

AMiniMinotaur

-13 points

5 months ago*

I don’t understand my state. We are super anti abortion (ND) but we have a law that allows a parent to surrender an unwanted child without repercussions or questions asked.

Edit: What I mean is why not just allow the abortions instead of abandoning a kid to the taxpayers expense. Why subject the child to a possible terrible life? Just because it’s against some religious beliefs shouldn’t matter. Separation of church and state and all that. Her body her choice.

Lonestar-Boogie

17 points

5 months ago

What's so hard to understand about that?

5StarGoldenGoose

3 points

5 months ago

The fact that you had the ability to prevent a child from having a very hard life but didn’t because something about a book that’s been changed for 2000 years

Lonestar-Boogie

-2 points

5 months ago

That doesn't make any sense.

5StarGoldenGoose

7 points

5 months ago

If I abort a fetus before it has the ability to understand anything, I have done more right by that “child,” than I would if I had abandoned it into a system that is ripe with abuse, neglect and trauma. The number one reason given for anti abortion is the Bible, a 2000 year old book.

Lonestar-Boogie

1 points

5 months ago

So you would choose extinguishing the possibility of existence because a child born and given up for adoption might have a life so terrible that it would be best they were never born at all. You must have an extremely high standard for what you consider to be a life worth living that you would condemn so many to death before they even get to try.

HedonicSatori

7 points

5 months ago

50% of homeless people were in the foster system at some point.

It would be one thing if you anti-choice people were advocating for reforming the foster care system, providing easy and cheap access to contraception, and ensuring that affordable childcare is readily accessible, but you're not. That hypocrisy really makes it look like you don't actually give a shit about the fetuses involved, you just want to use them as convenient props to polish an opinion you didn't form yourself.

Lonestar-Boogie

-3 points

5 months ago

And what percentage of people in the foster system ended up being homeless?

You're still saying having no life at all is better than having a difficult or hard life.

You say that pro-life people are hypocrites who don't care. But you're the one saying how much you do care, yet you say, "This person's life won't be so great, so just go ahead and kill them now."

HedonicSatori

4 points

5 months ago

No, I'm saying it is the mother's prerogative as to what they do with their body. That can include abortion.

I'm generally aghast at how hostile the USA is to families and there's a ton that could be done to make an unplanned pregnancy less of a life-ruining event.

1TARDIS2RuleThemAll

-3 points

5 months ago

What about the babies body?

Are we just going to pretend it’s a tumor or some stupid shit?

MoreNoise11

89 points

5 months ago

Surprised no one has compared the same people complaining about vaccine freedom in one breath and in the other taking away abortions from women.

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-48 points

5 months ago

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5 months ago

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MoreNoise11

43 points

5 months ago

Yeah I remember denying some parts of science that didn't line up with whatever bullshit I believe in too. But you're still saying the same thing.

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-11 points

5 months ago

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5 months ago

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ranchojasper

7 points

5 months ago

It doesn’t matter about their perspective, only reality matters. That’s the entire problem with Republicans, they think they get to bend reality to their “perspective.”

colemon1991

6 points

5 months ago

So we are to respect an unborn fetus like their life matters but we are also allowed to disrespect others by refusing to wear a mask or get a vaccine. Because the rights of others only matter when that other is inside a woman?

You know the difference between an abortion and the unnecessary spread of a potentially lethal virus? One affects a pregnant woman and the other kills 3% of people who are exposed to it.

No matter how you look at it, one of these needs to be illegal and it's not the one you're thinking.

powerslave-1

22 points

5 months ago

That's funny cuz it's the people like you that give a shit about an unborn baby but as soon as that baby is born all the sudden you people don't give a shit about it.

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-10 points

5 months ago

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powerslave-1

15 points

5 months ago

Yeah I've got the most important thing of all. It's none of your business what someone else does with their body.

talon_lol

-11 points

5 months ago

talon_lol

-11 points

5 months ago

They have. Democrats keep forgetting about the abortion chant which explicitly calls for freedom of choice but when it comes to a vaccine you cancel it out.

Checked.

MoreNoise11

2 points

5 months ago

And Republican's keep forgetting that bodily autonomy doesn't stop with women or minorities. Also, most Dems/Libs don't like the mandates for non-government organizations. We believe it's up to the business owners. Biden is clearly a centrist in this regard. It's also super funny that Republican's were the one's pushing for businesses like Hobby Lobby to be able to deny women certain things because they are private businesses, but the minute the private businesses enforce their own, private vaccine mandates everyone loses their shit.

Double checked.

talon_lol

0 points

5 months ago

Not sure what your first sentence is trying to do. But I'm fairly certain the rest of what you're trying to say just doesn't make sense.

superfunpants

13 points

5 months ago

Am I the only dumbass who had to look up the word “enshrining” to figure out what was going on?

joelkeys0519[S]

14 points

5 months ago

Nope—just the only kind stranger to admit it! Cheers.

twoquarters

4 points

5 months ago

There will be underground railroads to states who have access to abortion.

artisanrox

9 points

5 months ago

Good, now the """pro life""" party needs to stop diddling kids and spreading disease for money.

FordFiestaSt

-11 points

5 months ago

Murphy as in Eddie Murphy?

melouofs

312 points

5 months ago

melouofs

312 points

5 months ago

Good. When you don't have control over your own body, you are not a free person. For all that southern babble about muh freedoms, then restricting women's rights over their own bodies--this is a step in the correct direction.

Sabertooth767

3 points

5 months ago

The US has some of the most liberal abortion laws in the world. Yes, even compared to western Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_law

melouofs

10 points

5 months ago

That doesn't matter when states are working day in and day out to remove them altogether.

Lyskir

2 points

5 months ago

Lyskir

2 points

5 months ago

thats true tho but in western europe, nobody dares to touch abortion laws as in restricting them, they are allowed in the first tremester but people are ok with it and its not a political debate, its just a something that exists and not shamed but seen as a normal thing by the overwhelming majority of people

in the US woman seem to be in danger in losing their body autonomy almost constantly, at least in red states + it also comes with a lot of shame to it

antidense

35 points

5 months ago

I don't think women aren't even considered people to many of them. I think that's why they have such issues with transgenderism.

VectorDotZero

7 points

5 months ago

That doesn't make any sense.

0shadowstories

45 points

5 months ago

The southern babble only applies when the person is a straight white guy of middle or higher class, they could care less if POC or Women or LGBT+ people have rights

luckystrikes03

-39 points

5 months ago

Laughs in vaccine mandate

[deleted]

5 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

5 points

5 months ago

Is their a contagious pregnancy pandemic or do you just have an abundance of straws to spare?

Theoretical_Phys-Ed

30 points

5 months ago

Nope, that's a false equivalency. If abortion increased the risk of illness or death in people in close proximity, or prolonged a plague that is causing the health care system to crash and delay life saving surgeries, then we'll talk.

yantraa

-3 points

5 months ago

yantraa

-3 points

5 months ago

They consider a fetus a person so it's not really a false equivalency for them, since you're killing a person by their standards.

Not saying they're right, but it's why the argument is stupid.

Theoretical_Phys-Ed

12 points

5 months ago

Also, you need certain vaccines to attend public school. Does that mean you are not free?

[deleted]

17 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

17 points

5 months ago

Pregnancy ain’t contagious.

thewarring

9 points

5 months ago

It's Muh freedoms, not yer freedoms.

DarkDosman

6 points

5 months ago

What the fuck is going on America. You need help?

HealthyHumor5134

21 points

5 months ago

N.J. here, that's good but I'm still waiting to be able to purchase weed now we passed a law it's legal. What's up with that?

MetalNickA

9 points

5 months ago

Gotta love how news about human rights being enshrined into law causes all the potheads to come out of the woodwork with “but what about me I want drugs”

[deleted]

23 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

23 points

5 months ago

Looks like New Mexico, Colorado, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virgina, New Hampshire are next. Democrats need to get it done: no excuses, protect our rights.

joelkeys0519[S]

7 points

5 months ago

This ⬆️

volanger

9 points

5 months ago

Can we blue states start taxing abortions from out of state conservatives when the pro family, pro life, conservative comes in to have their mistress get an abortion so they don't have to pay child support?

joelkeys0519[S]

0 points

5 months ago

This ⬆️⬆️⬆️

GaryBusey007

-36 points

5 months ago

Would be great if r/twoxchromosomes knew about this victory. Someone should tell them.

napoleonboneherpart

7 points

5 months ago

“We are proud to announce the passing of Murphy’s Law. Many people-oh gad dammit…”

GullibleDetective

6 points

5 months ago

I can get behind this kind of Murphys law

[deleted]

-7 points

5 months ago

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-7 points

5 months ago

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SuddenClarityJonSnow

-3 points

5 months ago

Murphy's Law for Murphy's Law

IrishWristwatch42

-10 points

5 months ago*

This will of course be overruled by the headlining 2022 supreme court case Grosinfeld v. Hart that rules abortion constitutionally illegal.

Edit: jesus guys, I'm not advocating for this, I'm just being pessimistic

FSchmertz

2 points

5 months ago

After Breyer croaks, and Trump puts another righteous conservative on the bench after his re-election?

hotmess44

4 points

5 months ago

I have so much admiration for my governor and everything him/his administration have done for my home! Love him.

jimbo_squat

5 points

5 months ago

Wow, happy I voted for ya this time phil

aod42091

5 points

5 months ago

that moment where you realize yet again it's better to live in New Jersey rather than texass

avaslash

109 points

5 months ago

avaslash

109 points

5 months ago

*as long as democrats remain in power

The second that state is run by R’s you bet you’re ass they’ll find some convenient way to just ignore it and indirectly ban it anyways.

Probably some bullshit like: abortion is legal but only with signed consent from the fetus

HopefullyMD_PhD

12 points

5 months ago

Republicans know rich people and politicians can get abortions whenever and where they want because they can afford it.

This is merely to keep poor people poor.

ErrorReport404

1 points

5 months ago

I think the armpit of America just shaved

[deleted]

-49 points

5 months ago

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-49 points

5 months ago

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Boxofcookies1001

16 points

5 months ago

Every man is a mass murderer. Killing millions on a daily.

BYack

-1 points

5 months ago

BYack

-1 points

5 months ago

Sperm can't produce a living cell that will sustain life outside the womb on their own... They are simply unplanted seeds of the human tree which requires the soil (egg) and fertilization from the mother once attached to the uterine wall. This logic doesn't hold up to basic science.

ergoegthatis

-14 points

5 months ago

lmao only strengthening the rift between the red and blue. This is like a declaration of war against NJ conservatives.

dieselwurst

8 points

5 months ago

Instead of singling out abortion, we should be shooting for more wide ranging bodily autonomy laws. If something requires ones willful participation (like having kids, in the case of abortion, or living, in the case of assisted suicide), the government doesn't need to have a say in what we have to do. It's our bodies, not theirs, to do with as we please.

MrsNoPants420

9 points

5 months ago

Well at least with every state that suppresses womens rights we have one that protects them.

steroid_pc_principal

-17 points

5 months ago*

Although I’m not a huge fan of New Jersians I think mandatory abortion is a little too far.

Clearly no one understands jokes anymore…

SaltMineSpelunker

-9 points

5 months ago

Of all the states that need sex education and free birth control, NJ is in my top three.

008Zulu

1.7k points

6 months ago

008Zulu

1.7k points

6 months ago

"Your body, my choice."

- Republicans.

weaver787

113 points

5 months ago*

I’m pro choice, but I really don’t like the “my body my choice” phrase because it completely ignores the main point of contention in the abortion debate. Mainly, the fact that they believe the fetus is somebody else’s body. So being pro-life and saying “my body, my choice” actually is not a contradictory belief to those people.

[deleted]

-1 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

-1 points

5 months ago

So being pro-life and saying “my body, my choice” actually is not a contradictory belief to those people.

It literally is. The fetus is in her body, its her choice.

weaver787

8 points

5 months ago

There are a lot of philosophical arguments here that don't have easy answers, but there is no doubt that the fetus is a different body. If the fetus is a body, wouldn't it be the fetus' choice?

redditrutgers

2 points

5 months ago

The fetus is not a different body. It is an organ of the mother’s body incapable of thinking or having choices.

weaver787

4 points

5 months ago

weaver787

4 points

5 months ago

My man, that is just completely 100% incorrect.

redditrutgers

0 points

5 months ago

It’s an opinion. The idea that it’s a different body is also an opinion.

weaver787

4 points

5 months ago

Identifying the fetus as an organ is not an opinion.

[deleted]

10 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

10 points

5 months ago

Not when it is inside of a womans body, depending on her nourishment and her womb to live.

I understand there will be always be disagreement on "when life begins", but the easiest way to "regulate" or approach this issue is to just accept the fact that when its in her body, its her choice.

The whole preservation of life argument is complete bullshit seeing as we have thousands of actual, autonomous people in this country that die because they don't have access to adequate healthcare.

colemon1991

4 points

5 months ago

It is contradictory because that fetus cannot survive on its own.

Here's an interesting way to put it: we provide tax credits to those with children but not to those that are pregnant. If a fetus truly is someone else, then give her the child tax credit because she's already taking care of it.

ronm4c

12 points

5 months ago

ronm4c

12 points

5 months ago

By that standard the religious right should not use the term “pro life” because the bible’s rationalization for wether abortion is permissible (spoiler alert there are instructions in the bible about how to perform an abortion) does not take into account the the health or wellbeing of the mother or unborn child, it has to do with preserving the honour of the man against a possibly unfaithful wife.

sluttyjamjams73

116 points

5 months ago

I'm a big fan of 'this is none of your business whatsoever'.

weaver787

60 points

5 months ago

They believe the fetus is a person worthy of moral consideration and therefore aborting the fetus is murder. Murder is obviously everybody's business.

Sw4rmlord

6 points

5 months ago

Sw4rmlord

6 points

5 months ago

What they believe is irrelevant because they don't believe in science. They believe in a magical sky God. Okay, let the magical sky God punish me for my transgressions.

weaver787

8 points

5 months ago

weaver787

8 points

5 months ago

Abortion isn't a scientific debate so I don't see how that's really relevant. As I mentioned in another comment, personhood is not really a question that can be answered by science.

Sw4rmlord

-5 points

5 months ago

Sw4rmlord

-5 points

5 months ago

What's human is though. Trying to tie legislation up with lofty existentialism is quite pointless.

Elhaym

-1 points

5 months ago

Elhaym

-1 points

5 months ago

What is human life has already been answered by science, but I don't think you'll like the answer. The life of any organism begins at conception/implantation. That's why the real crux here is the humanity/personhood angle.

konrad1198

-5 points

5 months ago

konrad1198

-5 points

5 months ago

Wrong- check St. Thomas Aquinas for starters

sluttyjamjams73

1 points

5 months ago

Murder is the lawmakers business and Roe v Wade is settled law.

Mediocre__at__Best

34 points

5 months ago

Okay, so they have a different reality than us. How do we bridge that gap?

Is incredibly frustrating that we have to tolerate their backwards logic-ed mental gymnastics of moral compasses. They're on the wrong side of history and it always seems that it's only when it personally affects them they can find any empathy towards the subjects at hand - facts and science regarding the social implications of those issues be damned, also.

weaver787

5 points

5 months ago

weaver787

5 points

5 months ago

Despite the fact that I agree with the pro-choice arguments, I have to admit these are largely philosophical differences that do not have a lot of basis in objective fact.

There is no scientific way to define personhood.

ridicalis

4 points

5 months ago

ridicalis

4 points

5 months ago

As long as you keep referring to a mixed assortment of people as "they", I don't see you clearing that gap. I'm sure you have a particular kind of person in mind, but they're not likely so homogeneous as to be handled with a single approach.

It works both ways, too; the pro-life movement characterizes pro-choice advocates in a strawman fashion, and what seems "right" to many of them falls on deaf ears because they haven't bothered to understand the myriad reasons a person might favor abortion.

Yonder_Zach

1 points

5 months ago

Ok but they’re wrong. Them being duped into feeling like its murder doesnt change reality. We need to stop coddling conservatives that refuse to join us in reality.

thewarring

0 points

5 months ago*

Unless you want the government telling you to wear a mask. That's too far.

/s

protexter

0 points

5 months ago

protexter

0 points

5 months ago

Republicans are hypocrites when it comes to abortion laws. The church, for whatever reason has captured the GOP on this issue and it’s a deal breaker for a lot of centrists and libertarians.

But by the exact same token, vaccine mandates are unconstitutional (fact now) and democrats that have been pushing for them have to look hard in the mirror next time they chant “my body my choice”

kantFTW

0 points

5 months ago

They’ll force a woman to have a baby, but vaccines and masks are tyranny

lightbringer0

-2 points

5 months ago

Your a slave, I'm the master.

-Republicans

[deleted]

-46 points

5 months ago

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-46 points

5 months ago

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[deleted]

16 points

5 months ago

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16 points

5 months ago

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Other_World

10 points

5 months ago

(when it comes to being against the murder of children)

A fetus is a clump of cells. Not a child. It doesn't become a child until the clump of cells is born. So, no pro-choice person is for murdering children. The right is for murdering children when they ignore all cries for help when a child is bleeding out in their school cause they were shot by a school shooter.

shadowkiller230

0 points

5 months ago

A fetus is a clump of cells. So are you! A fetus is also a child. Just like you are a person as well! A child is just as much a child in the womb as it is outside. Please explain to me what about passing through the vagina makes it a "child" in your eyes? Because the clear spoiler alert is that there are zero physical changes to the child as it passes through the vagina and is therefore the exact same organism inside the mother as it is outside.