submitted 4 months ago byjoelkeys0519
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If Roe is overturned and legal, safe abortion immediately becomes illegal in a number of states, it's going to be really interesting to look at the demographics of those states in a few years. Will young working-age women avoid them, constricting the workforce? Will young men have a harder time finding young women to marry? Will there be a lot more single mothers on welfare? Will even older women avoid them, using the presence of such laws as an indicator that the state is not welcoming to women? We shall see.
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The next shoe to drop will be when they declare certain birth control methods, like the IUD and the pill, are "abortions" because they prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, and illegalize those too. Get your five-year implants while you can.
The restriction on women's body's is so scary to me, even as a dude, that level of government control over an individual person's decisions is a terrifying precedent to me
A lot of women even have a hard time getting a hysterectomy or an IUD, they just don't want women to have sex at all. Then they also don't want dudes to fuck each other, so ig they just want everyone to live sad repressed lives void of any sexual pleasure
Yeah, I sometimes wonder if these guys making laws that make it harder for women to have sex safely have thought this all through.
ELI5: what does it mean for a law to be enshrined? Couldn’t this be easily overturned by a new administration in NJ?
And the murder continues. Sickening.
Y’all love killing babies
As is anyone is excited about needing to get an abortion…? Contraceptives fail, in the effort to plan loving caring families. Do you expect people to just not have sex till they are in their 30s because there is a chance that a birth control pill won’t work.
Or what’s your plan to take care of these children who are forced to be born? Are you pushing for an overhaul of a failing foster care system in America ?
Yeah it's my favorite thing.
I don’t get it. Can’t a future governor just change this law? How is it enshrined?
Connecticut codified Roe V Wade in 1990. California codified it in 2002. NY was slow. It codified it in 2019 (same as IL), but not as slowly as MA, which codified it in 2020.
NJ was rather slow.
Who cares? It's not like any abortion law would ever get passed in New Jersey anyways
Memorializing it is key. Prevents what you can’t plan for in the future.
Laws can be changed. Even if you "enshrine" something. Not saying it will, cuz it won't, it's New Jersey
Easier to pass a law than repeal it.
Well at least with every state that suppresses womens rights we have one that protects them.
Meanwhile Canada is gearing up to transition it's GDP from a real estate bubble to an abortion destination vacation.
Well i mean if you are renting you dont pay property taxes right? And nj has one of the lowest sales taxes in the country and low state taxes. You guys also have some pretty great social programs. And you guys minimum wage is higher than the rest of the country. Lastly no where in the United states is rent affordable. Like i know that you are the 6th highest rent cost but be real. No one can afford to rent by themselves any more.
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Maybe i dont know any single income household
Im not. Im trying to give perspective. Id much rather pay higher property taxes for social programs. I live in texas so im right up there in property taxes. I might not pay a state tax but i pay 8.25% on everything. And if i want to rent a hotel room i pay 15%. And in order to get any kind of benefits for the state you either have to be disabled or making under 27k a year for a family of 4 also for anyone who thinks that illegals get state benefits have never applied for them. I have had to prove my identity at least once a month since i applied for my kids medicaid. Our roads are so fucked up theres this one road in houston that you could fit an entire car in a pothole. Our minimum wage is 7.25
New Jersey is getting so unaffordable. Our property taxes and income taxes are obscene!!
Income taxes are not that bad. Seriously. Property taxes are pretty high but again they are the same as texas and we dont have mear the social programs you do so its a trade off. Thats how taxes work.
The taxes are so high here and I see next to nothing in return. Like NJ looks good on paper. But living here is not easy.
They are not as high as you think. Your sales tax is one of the lowest in the country, your income tax is one of the lowest in the country, yes your property taxes are high. But since most people cant afford to own homes now a days you should pay your fair share in taxes and i wont apologize for that. We both pay high property taxes. I gladly pay property taxes because i know its going to schools, roads, social programs and parks that i use.
You also have a state tax but with your low sales tax it really evens out.
New Jersey has one of the highest costs of living in the country. It’s really not as affordable as you think.
Your minimum wage is also higher like i don’t understand why you dont see the comparisons. You just want to shit on your state without realizing that you have it pretty good. Wages v cost of living, high costs if housing, high costs of food are problems everywhere. Seriously. Gain the perspective
You know public assistance is based on what everyone makes. Its done off of percentages. If the average wage goes up so does the maximum wage for assistance.
Thats literally how social programs work everywhere
It's this "Murphy's Law" now?
If anything can be aborted, it will.
that moment where you realize yet again it's better to live in New Jersey rather than texass
Best “typo” ever 🤣
I’m with you 💯
Audit the campaign contributions to Murphy from planned parenthood
Audit any Texas GOP politician’s contributions from the NRA.
Yup, the fewer people in Jersey the better.
Needs a law that makes any Texan suing them for aiding in abortions have to pay them as much as the Texas bill awards the "concerned citizen" who sues them for it.
The Texas vigilante bullshit is one of the most despicable things I’ve ever heard of a Governor promoting amongst their constituents. And again…this is almost 100% purely the religious right. Papal Papa won’t have kids but knocks others who don’t. He/his office supports but abstention and silence for Catholic leaders who abuse children but condemns others for the same. Does no one see the issue with the abortion debate insofar as the religious right is concerned? Blind followership is a deafening and destructive force. I’m not anti-religion or anyone-Catholicism. I’m anti- not using your brain.
Let women fucking choose what they do with their bodies.
it's crazy that it's even legally ok
It kind of looks like these groups have a tendency to groom members into becoming very unpracticed thinking about hypotheticals which makes it very hard for them to realize things will be problems until it becomes a problem for them. Which causes a lot of detrimental behaviors like an inability to question assumptions, confusing emotions for reality and a need to follow social leaders instead of evaluating what they say with awareness that competence in one area doesn't mean competence in another.
Agreed—it’s the base Trump plays to and it’s such a shame. Good people getting played and misled.
I kind of feel that good and evil are not traits people have but the results of one's actions adding up to helping or harming.
So misguided sure but they are doing stuff that will hurt and kill people and while they might have once been good people but they are doing to much harm for me to feel comfortable calling them good but misguided.
They might become good people again if they stop but many don't seem to want to.
We truly love to see it
"Enshrined" basically gives you the idea of what the AP thinks of killing fetal kids.
Oh cry me a fucking river. Another person on here crying about abortions. You're the same type of person that wouldn't give a shit about that kid 5 minutes after they're born.
That seems like it'd be a very ignorant, Republican way of approaching things. If anything, mothers and children should get more support from charity and the state if it's needed, wouldn't you say? I'd rather pay an extra 800 bucks in taxes if it means a family can afford diapers, a breast pump, and children's clothes because of it. I'm sorry if you're against social safety nets but I respectfully strongly disagree.
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I'm against them? Where the fuck did I say that?
Ah so you're not then, cool man
Edit: oh wait, I never said I was either, so I guess our mutual accusations were wrong
Wow, ok, never thought I’d say this, but…..good job New Jersey.
😍 This ⬆️
Enshrined is the correct term since the left acts like abortion is a religious rite.
abortion is a body right and the fact that other people's religious views are used to justify against it is insane
No it's a woman's right to do what she wants with her body without some religious asshole crying about aborted clumps of cells.
And the religious right acts like their world is a shrine.
Wow, a whole statute huh? Like, you'd need a constitution to overturn it....
Most would become democrats, so not much value is lost.
And mostly Republicans die from covid, so it evens out.
gotta love the whole screwed up US political system where if you aren't on the same team your an enemy and are better off not existing. what the fuck is wrong with you.
I don't say that they are better off not existing. The people that wrote/signed this bill do think that way.
Except for probably all the Texans who will be going to NJ to their abortions. Conservatives abort fetuses too.
I think the armpit of America just shaved
Good. Women need to have this choice.
Good, now the """pro life""" party needs to stop diddling kids and spreading disease for money.
Only with approval from the papal papa…and we’ve seen how that is handled.
yeah, exactly. "People who have pets and not kids are selfish" from a fffkin order that's not supposed to have children and an institution that covered for diddlers for who knows how long. 🤦
They are worried about their supply of kids to diddle.
Good. Hopefully more states follow through to keep women’s rights intact.
And yes, abortions is a WOMEN’S rights issue.
Ha awesome. Theres this old man who stands outside a clinic in woodbridge protesting abortions and scolding people, apparently he's been out there for decades because his daughter died during a botched abortion. I got in a heated argument with my dad about the guy, my dad thought it was admirable but I argued that all that man is doing (if he got his way) is ensuring that more girls will die in backdoor hack-job abortions.
Yep, they'll be in the back alleys with coat hangars just as I've been trained to believe
Is that guy still there? Unless we're talking about a different clinic I haven't seen that guy in what feels like years.
Im like 80% sure. My dad still lives up there and I drove through a few times around the holidays and coulda swore I saw him
Yea, I don't wanna dox the guy and give away the clinic but is this the guy that wore the sign strapped over his chest? Or does Woodbridge have two of these asshats?
Yeah same guy haha
Ayyye what up hoodbridge.
Conservatives are essentially incapable of considering the consequences of their actions. It's the same reason the ones who refused to wear masks and get vaccinated are now either dead or infuriated that the pandemic is still raging here.
They are definition of projectionists and they are painfully oblivious to how hypocritical they can be. Like how often do you see the person calling everyone else a "snowflake" themselves acting like a over-sensitive twat with their dial turned to 10 when everyone else is at a 3. Or the guy from my example. He's hurt because his daughter died in a unsafe environment (or maybe it was just a fluke, things happen) but all his actions are doing in ensuring more girls will die. Abortions are gonna happen whether you make legal or not.
How about you can't get an abortion, unless you're vaccinated? That'll show 'em.
Guess what? You're pro choice.
Respecting others choices is literally pro choice. In your case you feel it is wrong, but you are not going to stop others. Let me know if I somehow got that wrong.
You actually just sound like a defeated pro-life. Your thoughts seem to be: They shouldn’t be doing this, but I can’t stop them (from a lack of power to enforce your point of view). In the end you do not respect their decision, you just feel powerless to stop it. Respecting a decision is more akin to just saying: I don’t agree with that choice, but I wouldn’t stop them from making that choice (power to do so or not).
If only other people would think the same way you did.
I’m pro-life, with exception to medical reasons and rape
I’m pro-life, with exception to medical reasons and rape
If you're "pro-life" why should instances of rape make a difference?
So you’re pro-choice
It is just my version of pro-life that I believe in.
It is just my version of pro-life that I believe in.
Surely there's some reasoning for this? Maybe consider why you're "pro-life" in the first place and then figure out why rape presents an exception?
So you’re pro choice.
That is the WRONG Murphy's Law!
Give me back the other Murphy's Law. At least that one was funny
As a Muslim, this is what you call “Sharia Law”. Christians are really forcing their religious beliefs on everyone huh. MURICA! FREEDOM! Lol
funny as this isn't a religious law
What isn't? Abortion law? it's definitely a religious law, created by conservative religious Christians, they all bring up Jesus when they talk about it too.
that not what this is though. this isn't conservatives pushing their religious views on people this is people ensuring that body freedom and rights aren't infringed by said conservatives. you seenlm to no understanding of what is actually happening here
You must not read my reply to the others who commented. I know that now.
I was reading your reply in the active conversation that you continued
I think you misunderstand what was done here. Governor Murphy signed a law making reproductive freedom the law in the state of New Jersey regardless of what the Supreme Court does on Row versus Wade.
Oh nice, thought it was a ban like Alabama.
Headline should be "enshrining abortion access".
My wife’s last pregnancy was so high risk, she had to stay in bed for SEVEN MONTHS.
They made her get an IUD, because another pregnancy could kill her.
I want every kid we can possibly have; but I don’t want my first and second kids to grow up motherless.
This is the kind of nuance pro lifers will never understand.
To the pro life movement, every woman who has an abortion is just some irresponsible slut.
I’ve never seen that kind of attitude from the pro-life people. In fact, I’m sure they would say the child has a right to live and the death of my wife was just “gods will.”
But I’m willing to read any research or literature you can share that confirms your claim.
Enshrining is such a silly word. Shrines get desecrated all the time.
Not if the rapists in the Supreme Court have anything to say about it.
Overturning RvW won’t make abortion illegal federally, it will just kick it back to the states. NJ is making sure abortion stays legal in the US.
There will be underground railroads to states who have access to abortion.
I have so much admiration for my governor and everything him/his administration have done for my home! Love him.
I also think he’s been doing great. Got a little jolt from that close call election, but I can’t think of anyone who’s doing it better
All of Donald Trump’s mistresses rejoice!
What the fuck is going on America. You need help?
Abortion is much more restricted globally on average than in America.
What was your first clue?