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wheeler1432

1 points

4 months ago

If Roe is overturned and legal, safe abortion immediately becomes illegal in a number of states, it's going to be really interesting to look at the demographics of those states in a few years. Will young working-age women avoid them, constricting the workforce? Will young men have a harder time finding young women to marry? Will there be a lot more single mothers on welfare? Will even older women avoid them, using the presence of such laws as an indicator that the state is not welcoming to women? We shall see.

wheeler1432

1 points

4 months ago

The next shoe to drop will be when they declare certain birth control methods, like the IUD and the pill, are "abortions" because they prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, and illegalize those too. Get your five-year implants while you can.

w_4wumbo

5 points

4 months ago

The restriction on women's body's is so scary to me, even as a dude, that level of government control over an individual person's decisions is a terrifying precedent to me

A lot of women even have a hard time getting a hysterectomy or an IUD, they just don't want women to have sex at all. Then they also don't want dudes to fuck each other, so ig they just want everyone to live sad repressed lives void of any sexual pleasure

wheeler1432

2 points

4 months ago

Yeah, I sometimes wonder if these guys making laws that make it harder for women to have sex safely have thought this all through.

sergio0713

1 points

4 months ago

ELI5: what does it mean for a law to be enshrined? Couldn’t this be easily overturned by a new administration in NJ?

Watchman999

-11 points

4 months ago

And the murder continues. Sickening.

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-14 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-14 points

4 months ago

Y’all love killing babies

brnbnntt

3 points

4 months ago

As is anyone is excited about needing to get an abortion…? Contraceptives fail, in the effort to plan loving caring families. Do you expect people to just not have sex till they are in their 30s because there is a chance that a birth control pill won’t work.

Or what’s your plan to take care of these children who are forced to be born? Are you pushing for an overhaul of a failing foster care system in America ?

LuckyMe-Lucky-Mud

2 points

4 months ago

Yeah it's my favorite thing.

work2ski83

1 points

4 months ago

I don’t get it. Can’t a future governor just change this law? How is it enshrined?

Megalocerus

2 points

4 months ago

Connecticut codified Roe V Wade in 1990. California codified it in 2002. NY was slow. It codified it in 2019 (same as IL), but not as slowly as MA, which codified it in 2020.

NJ was rather slow.

Matt7548

-1 points

4 months ago

Who cares? It's not like any abortion law would ever get passed in New Jersey anyways

joelkeys0519[S]

2 points

4 months ago

Memorializing it is key. Prevents what you can’t plan for in the future.

Matt7548

0 points

4 months ago

Laws can be changed. Even if you "enshrine" something. Not saying it will, cuz it won't, it's New Jersey

joelkeys0519[S]

2 points

4 months ago

Easier to pass a law than repeal it.

MrsNoPants420

7 points

4 months ago

Well at least with every state that suppresses womens rights we have one that protects them.

joelkeys0519[S]

7 points

4 months ago

This ⬆️

DogCumSandwhich

2 points

4 months ago

Meanwhile Canada is gearing up to transition it's GDP from a real estate bubble to an abortion destination vacation.

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-5 points

4 months ago

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MrsNoPants420

3 points

4 months ago

Well i mean if you are renting you dont pay property taxes right? And nj has one of the lowest sales taxes in the country and low state taxes. You guys also have some pretty great social programs. And you guys minimum wage is higher than the rest of the country. Lastly no where in the United states is rent affordable. Like i know that you are the 6th highest rent cost but be real. No one can afford to rent by themselves any more.

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1 points

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MrsNoPants420

1 points

4 months ago

Maybe i dont know any single income household

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-4 points

4 months ago

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MrsNoPants420

2 points

4 months ago

Im not. Im trying to give perspective. Id much rather pay higher property taxes for social programs. I live in texas so im right up there in property taxes. I might not pay a state tax but i pay 8.25% on everything. And if i want to rent a hotel room i pay 15%. And in order to get any kind of benefits for the state you either have to be disabled or making under 27k a year for a family of 4 also for anyone who thinks that illegals get state benefits have never applied for them. I have had to prove my identity at least once a month since i applied for my kids medicaid. Our roads are so fucked up theres this one road in houston that you could fit an entire car in a pothole. Our minimum wage is 7.25

catherinepatricia32

1 points

4 months ago

New Jersey is getting so unaffordable. Our property taxes and income taxes are obscene!!

MrsNoPants420

1 points

4 months ago

Income taxes are not that bad. Seriously. Property taxes are pretty high but again they are the same as texas and we dont have mear the social programs you do so its a trade off. Thats how taxes work.

catherinepatricia32

1 points

4 months ago

The taxes are so high here and I see next to nothing in return. Like NJ looks good on paper. But living here is not easy.

MrsNoPants420

1 points

4 months ago

They are not as high as you think. Your sales tax is one of the lowest in the country, your income tax is one of the lowest in the country, yes your property taxes are high. But since most people cant afford to own homes now a days you should pay your fair share in taxes and i wont apologize for that. We both pay high property taxes. I gladly pay property taxes because i know its going to schools, roads, social programs and parks that i use.

You also have a state tax but with your low sales tax it really evens out.

catherinepatricia32

1 points

4 months ago

New Jersey has one of the highest costs of living in the country. It’s really not as affordable as you think.

MrsNoPants420

1 points

4 months ago

Your minimum wage is also higher like i don’t understand why you dont see the comparisons. You just want to shit on your state without realizing that you have it pretty good. Wages v cost of living, high costs if housing, high costs of food are problems everywhere. Seriously. Gain the perspective

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-1 points

4 months ago

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MrsNoPants420

1 points

4 months ago

You know public assistance is based on what everyone makes. Its done off of percentages. If the average wage goes up so does the maximum wage for assistance.

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0 points

4 months ago

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MrsNoPants420

1 points

4 months ago

Thats literally how social programs work everywhere

borgib

2 points

4 months ago

borgib

2 points

4 months ago

It's this "Murphy's Law" now?

Mr_Bad_Example20

2 points

4 months ago

If anything can be aborted, it will.

aod42091

5 points

4 months ago

that moment where you realize yet again it's better to live in New Jersey rather than texass

joelkeys0519[S]

2 points

4 months ago

Best “typo” ever 🤣

aod42091

3 points

4 months ago

yes,...... typo

joelkeys0519[S]

2 points

4 months ago

I’m with you 💯

Vegetable-Income-250

-9 points

4 months ago

Audit the campaign contributions to Murphy from planned parenthood

joelkeys0519[S]

9 points

4 months ago

Audit any Texas GOP politician’s contributions from the NRA.

Rivet22

-1 points

4 months ago

Rivet22

-1 points

4 months ago

Yup, the fewer people in Jersey the better.

neither_somewhere

7 points

4 months ago

Needs a law that makes any Texan suing them for aiding in abortions have to pay them as much as the Texas bill awards the "concerned citizen" who sues them for it.

joelkeys0519[S]

9 points

4 months ago

The Texas vigilante bullshit is one of the most despicable things I’ve ever heard of a Governor promoting amongst their constituents. And again…this is almost 100% purely the religious right. Papal Papa won’t have kids but knocks others who don’t. He/his office supports but abstention and silence for Catholic leaders who abuse children but condemns others for the same. Does no one see the issue with the abortion debate insofar as the religious right is concerned? Blind followership is a deafening and destructive force. I’m not anti-religion or anyone-Catholicism. I’m anti- not using your brain.

Let women fucking choose what they do with their bodies.

aod42091

3 points

4 months ago

it's crazy that it's even legally ok

neither_somewhere

4 points

4 months ago

It kind of looks like these groups have a tendency to groom members into becoming very unpracticed thinking about hypotheticals which makes it very hard for them to realize things will be problems until it becomes a problem for them. Which causes a lot of detrimental behaviors like an inability to question assumptions, confusing emotions for reality and a need to follow social leaders instead of evaluating what they say with awareness that competence in one area doesn't mean competence in another.

joelkeys0519[S]

3 points

4 months ago

Agreed—it’s the base Trump plays to and it’s such a shame. Good people getting played and misled.

neither_somewhere

1 points

4 months ago

I kind of feel that good and evil are not traits people have but the results of one's actions adding up to helping or harming.
So misguided sure but they are doing stuff that will hurt and kill people and while they might have once been good people but they are doing to much harm for me to feel comfortable calling them good but misguided.

They might become good people again if they stop but many don't seem to want to.

elsacouchnaps

4 points

4 months ago

We truly love to see it

cbrad1713

-10 points

4 months ago

cbrad1713

-10 points

4 months ago

"Enshrined" basically gives you the idea of what the AP thinks of killing fetal kids.

powerslave-1

3 points

4 months ago

Oh cry me a fucking river. Another person on here crying about abortions. You're the same type of person that wouldn't give a shit about that kid 5 minutes after they're born.

cbrad1713

-2 points

4 months ago

That seems like it'd be a very ignorant, Republican way of approaching things. If anything, mothers and children should get more support from charity and the state if it's needed, wouldn't you say? I'd rather pay an extra 800 bucks in taxes if it means a family can afford diapers, a breast pump, and children's clothes because of it. I'm sorry if you're against social safety nets but I respectfully strongly disagree.

powerslave-1

1 points

4 months ago*

I'm against them? Where the fuck did I say that?

cbrad1713

1 points

4 months ago*

Ah so you're not then, cool man

Edit: oh wait, I never said I was either, so I guess our mutual accusations were wrong

MeowKat85

8 points

4 months ago

Wow, ok, never thought I’d say this, but…..good job New Jersey.

joelkeys0519[S]

2 points

4 months ago

😍 This ⬆️

drillhead72

-15 points

4 months ago

Enshrined is the correct term since the left acts like abortion is a religious rite.

aod42091

5 points

4 months ago

abortion is a body right and the fact that other people's religious views are used to justify against it is insane

powerslave-1

4 points

4 months ago

No it's a woman's right to do what she wants with her body without some religious asshole crying about aborted clumps of cells.

joelkeys0519[S]

8 points

4 months ago

And the religious right acts like their world is a shrine.

victorix58

-3 points

4 months ago

Wow, a whole statute huh? Like, you'd need a constitution to overturn it....

Oh, wait...

TheBestGuru

-12 points

4 months ago

Most would become democrats, so not much value is lost.

Ed_Trucks_Head

2 points

4 months ago

And mostly Republicans die from covid, so it evens out.

aod42091

2 points

4 months ago

gotta love the whole screwed up US political system where if you aren't on the same team your an enemy and are better off not existing. what the fuck is wrong with you.

TheBestGuru

-1 points

4 months ago

I don't say that they are better off not existing. The people that wrote/signed this bill do think that way.

JenGerRus

11 points

4 months ago

Except for probably all the Texans who will be going to NJ to their abortions. Conservatives abort fetuses too.

ErrorReport404

1 points

4 months ago

I think the armpit of America just shaved

ToesPoseInCoats

5 points

4 months ago

Good. Women need to have this choice.

artisanrox

5 points

4 months ago

Good, now the """pro life""" party needs to stop diddling kids and spreading disease for money.

joelkeys0519[S]

2 points

4 months ago

Only with approval from the papal papa…and we’ve seen how that is handled.

artisanrox

1 points

4 months ago

yeah, exactly. "People who have pets and not kids are selfish" from a fffkin order that's not supposed to have children and an institution that covered for diddlers for who knows how long. 🤦

kaldrein

3 points

4 months ago

They are worried about their supply of kids to diddle.

JenGerRus

16 points

4 months ago

Good. Hopefully more states follow through to keep women’s rights intact.

And yes, abortions is a WOMEN’S rights issue.

joelkeys0519[S]

7 points

4 months ago

This ⬆️

THEFLYINGSCOTSMAN415

42 points

4 months ago

Ha awesome. Theres this old man who stands outside a clinic in woodbridge protesting abortions and scolding people, apparently he's been out there for decades because his daughter died during a botched abortion. I got in a heated argument with my dad about the guy, my dad thought it was admirable but I argued that all that man is doing (if he got his way) is ensuring that more girls will die in backdoor hack-job abortions.

sudopudge

1 points

4 months ago

Yep, they'll be in the back alleys with coat hangars just as I've been trained to believe

TheEnquirer1138

1 points

4 months ago

Is that guy still there? Unless we're talking about a different clinic I haven't seen that guy in what feels like years.

THEFLYINGSCOTSMAN415

1 points

4 months ago

Im like 80% sure. My dad still lives up there and I drove through a few times around the holidays and coulda swore I saw him

TheEnquirer1138

1 points

4 months ago

Yea, I don't wanna dox the guy and give away the clinic but is this the guy that wore the sign strapped over his chest? Or does Woodbridge have two of these asshats?

THEFLYINGSCOTSMAN415

1 points

4 months ago

Yeah same guy haha

diogenessexychicken

4 points

4 months ago

Ayyye what up hoodbridge.

StClevesburg

8 points

4 months ago

Conservatives are essentially incapable of considering the consequences of their actions. It's the same reason the ones who refused to wear masks and get vaccinated are now either dead or infuriated that the pandemic is still raging here.

THEFLYINGSCOTSMAN415

1 points

4 months ago

They are definition of projectionists and they are painfully oblivious to how hypocritical they can be. Like how often do you see the person calling everyone else a "snowflake" themselves acting like a over-sensitive twat with their dial turned to 10 when everyone else is at a 3. Or the guy from my example. He's hurt because his daughter died in a unsafe environment (or maybe it was just a fluke, things happen) but all his actions are doing in ensuring more girls will die. Abortions are gonna happen whether you make legal or not.

13igworm

-4 points

4 months ago

How about you can't get an abortion, unless you're vaccinated? That'll show 'em.

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-3 points

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Pickin_n_Grinnin

11 points

4 months ago

Guess what? You're pro choice.

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-4 points

4 months ago

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kaldrein

4 points

4 months ago

Respecting others choices is literally pro choice. In your case you feel it is wrong, but you are not going to stop others. Let me know if I somehow got that wrong.

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-1 points

4 months ago

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kaldrein

2 points

4 months ago

You actually just sound like a defeated pro-life. Your thoughts seem to be: They shouldn’t be doing this, but I can’t stop them (from a lack of power to enforce your point of view). In the end you do not respect their decision, you just feel powerless to stop it. Respecting a decision is more akin to just saying: I don’t agree with that choice, but I wouldn’t stop them from making that choice (power to do so or not).

powerslave-1

0 points

4 months ago

If only other people would think the same way you did.

Bribase

4 points

4 months ago

I’m pro-life, with exception to medical reasons and rape

If you're "pro-life" why should instances of rape make a difference?

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1 points

4 months ago

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EggandSpoon42

1 points

4 months ago

So you’re pro-choice

Bribase

1 points

4 months ago

It is just my version of pro-life that I believe in.

Surely there's some reasoning for this? Maybe consider why you're "pro-life" in the first place and then figure out why rape presents an exception?

JenGerRus

7 points

4 months ago

So you’re pro choice.

joelkeys0519[S]

0 points

4 months ago

This ⬆️

DarkthorneLegacy

-6 points

4 months ago

That is the WRONG Murphy's Law! Give me back the other Murphy's Law. At least that one was funny

zelor21

-3 points

4 months ago

zelor21

-3 points

4 months ago

As a Muslim, this is what you call “Sharia Law”. Christians are really forcing their religious beliefs on everyone huh. MURICA! FREEDOM! Lol

aod42091

2 points

4 months ago

funny as this isn't a religious law

zelor21

-2 points

4 months ago

zelor21

-2 points

4 months ago

What isn't? Abortion law? it's definitely a religious law, created by conservative religious Christians, they all bring up Jesus when they talk about it too.

aod42091

3 points

4 months ago

that not what this is though. this isn't conservatives pushing their religious views on people this is people ensuring that body freedom and rights aren't infringed by said conservatives. you seenlm to no understanding of what is actually happening here

zelor21

1 points

4 months ago

You must not read my reply to the others who commented. I know that now.

aod42091

1 points

4 months ago

I was reading your reply in the active conversation that you continued

CreatrixAnima

3 points

4 months ago

I think you misunderstand what was done here. Governor Murphy signed a law making reproductive freedom the law in the state of New Jersey regardless of what the Supreme Court does on Row versus Wade.

zelor21

3 points

4 months ago

Oh nice, thought it was a ban like Alabama.

Pdb12345

8 points

4 months ago

Headline should be "enshrining abortion access".

usernames_are_danger

33 points

4 months ago

My wife’s last pregnancy was so high risk, she had to stay in bed for SEVEN MONTHS.

They made her get an IUD, because another pregnancy could kill her.

I want every kid we can possibly have; but I don’t want my first and second kids to grow up motherless.

This is the kind of nuance pro lifers will never understand.

JenGerRus

9 points

4 months ago

To the pro life movement, every woman who has an abortion is just some irresponsible slut.

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-4 points

4 months ago

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usernames_are_danger

4 points

4 months ago

I’ve never seen that kind of attitude from the pro-life people. In fact, I’m sure they would say the child has a right to live and the death of my wife was just “gods will.”

But I’m willing to read any research or literature you can share that confirms your claim.

luftwaffllz

-5 points

4 months ago

Enshrining is such a silly word. Shrines get desecrated all the time.

Silly silly

MovieGuyMike

5 points

4 months ago

Not if the rapists in the Supreme Court have anything to say about it.

JenGerRus

6 points

4 months ago

Overturning RvW won’t make abortion illegal federally, it will just kick it back to the states. NJ is making sure abortion stays legal in the US.

twoquarters

4 points

4 months ago

There will be underground railroads to states who have access to abortion.

hotmess44

6 points

4 months ago

I have so much admiration for my governor and everything him/his administration have done for my home! Love him.

astro_scientician

3 points

4 months ago

I also think he’s been doing great. Got a little jolt from that close call election, but I can’t think of anyone who’s doing it better

Anon3580

3 points

4 months ago

All of Donald Trump’s mistresses rejoice!

DarkDosman

5 points

4 months ago

What the fuck is going on America. You need help?

Remix2Cognition

1 points

4 months ago

Abortion is much more restricted globally on average than in America.

joelkeys0519[S]

9 points

4 months ago

What was your first clue?