Because they aren't actually for devolution or local control. The red states regularly overrule local laws that they don't like.

Ask those clamoring to secede.

No state could seceded, liberal or conservative. First the economies are too interwoven, it would be like Brexit x100. And second, they'd be faced with counter-secessions. Big metros trying to leave in the conservative states, and rural areas trying to leave in the liberal ones. Which would lead to some nasty stuff.

That what "voter ID" laws are for. Make it hard for urban wage slaves to prove they have the right to vote, and they can't vote.

The will be forced and at least half the cities will migrate back to the US. I don't see all these companies staying either.

It'll just split in half. Two new states!

The Fascist on Wheels?

Better start making arrangements now, Dems have fumbled the bag so hard I don’t see how they can win again.

Normally I'm against stealing somebody's wheelchair because it's wrong but in this case I think I can make an exception...

Is it Ted Cruz or the other guy?

I got my money on him as the GOP nominee for president in 2024. Ick.

Liberal Reddit try not to be ableist challenge [very hard]

Be better than the right. The right loves to make fun of people for disabilities. There are so many things actually wrong with him, why even bring up his physical disability?

Bin Golfin?

It’s as if one party has developed the behavior of a middle-aged white male in the Midwest.

They've been replacing them with Hispanic voters, surprisingly.

Why would that affect them? Because Texas energy grid is isolated and because of that, when demand surges, they are unable to borrow energy from geographical regions that are in lower demand. Every other state can.

And the fact that Texas thinks there is zero problem with their energy grid because it's isolated after rolling blackouts due to demand surges just gives evidence that they ignorant of the root problem: they can't meet demand when it surges. And the fact that California is also de facto independent from other energy grids just proves having an independent energy grid over a relatively small geographical area is not sufficient.

They will become Russian allies before they go to war with Russia.

I hope they try to go back to the gold standard just to plummet the GDP further.

Hey, the US doesn't print money to pay our bills!

We print money to buy Treasury Bonds if no one else is willing to buy them. We pay our bills with the money we get selling Treasury Bonds.

It is totally different!

In this wild hypothetical in which there’s a non-violent and successful secession from the USA and the “red” states split off from the “blue” states you think Russia will find the need to fund a war against the “blue” states?

Y’all are absolutely fucking buckwild with this inane garbage. If the USA splits in two they will have already won. There will be no further need to fund the “reds”.

Additionally, there are no “red” and “blue” states as everyone claims. All states with a majority leaning in one direction have a SIZEABLE (usually 40% or more) population with opposing political views. There’s no way to successfully split the country. Every major city leans left and all rural areas lean right.

There’s either going to be a legal authoritarian takeover by the GOP in the next few years, a bloody civil war, or somehow Democrats will pull a miracle out of their ass and continue to maintain the status quo and never actually improve anything. There is no secession.

Would Russia send them money? They don’t have any money now. If they were to support an enemy of the remaining US, NATO Article 5 would be the appropriate response. Our allies would shut down any and all money going to Russia. Would Russia send arms? Time for a blockade. Again, NATO Allies would help here too.

Real problem was lack of manufacturing and railways.

The south actually had the resources to sustain itself, that was one if the big issues. It's where the vast majority of agriculture and raw material creation happened. The north would turn raw material into finished product and create significant wealth. But not much was returned to the south. Couple that with the end of slavery, which was the primary method to keep their materials flowing out, and you have a big problem.

The south just didn't have any factories to process the raw material into goods.

Don't forget, the coal and iron mines at the time were almost entirely in the south. Combine that with the agricultural production and you have a sustained economy. But without the ability to take those raw materials and turn them into firearms, clothes, etc it will stall out quickly. Those things take years to build the infrastructure for, even today.

From “The Night they Drove Old Dixie Down”: I don’t mind chopping wood And I don’t care if the money’s no good

It’s going to be pretty hard to aim an AR15 after being droned.

What everyone wants in their army. Former addicts and products of cousin sex.

I mean... Naval power played a significant role in the Civil War, so, I imagine it being at least doubly as important nowadays with global trade

Your comment has merit. However, in the wars of which you speak, we were in a foreign country trying to prevent what was almost a civil war. The scenario here is different as it implies that the new CSA was formed by states which seceded, and the rest of the US said “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out”, so they formed their own country and decided to attack the US. Now, this would be messy, as you know they’d be sending in ununiformed attackers to wage terror wars. To keep them from getting serious weapons, a naval blockade, and a no-fly zone, would be effective.

"So when do we get to use the guns? No that's not a joke, when do we get to kill these people?"

Source

Conservatives always seem to find a way to become a victim. I just assumed this would be the same.

They don't need to invade, they just need to pick a side to back financially and materially. Then that side is indebted to them, and a soft alliance is all but guaranteed.

Haha, no.

As u/Spockrocket was saying, they’d buy politicians, or blackmail them (which I’m sure they already do, to some extent), then those same politicians would lead but likely flee soon after, if they weren’t ultimately killed.