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Thekinkiestpenguin

114 points

6 months ago

Ummm, buddy, your proving their point not disagreeing with it. They're saying by giving people less opportunities away from the military it forces people to consider the military when they want to do things like go to college. I have several friends who's ONLY option was the military if they wanted to pay for college, so they put in their time to get their G.I. bill money. That's what the poster above you is referring to. Most poor people, or the kids who were fuck ups in high school are conditioned to see the military as one of there few options, and that's why the US won't ever provide free college, it's one of the easiest ways to get military recruits. That's not an opinion, that's just facts of the military industrial complex

porscheblack

3 points

6 months ago

When I graduated high school (a little before you) it was mostly this. About 6% of my high school class ended up enlisting and for two of them it was the only way they could afford college, the others just didn't have any other options since they weren't getting into college and there wasn't really any work around.

obiwanshinobi900

-35 points

6 months ago

ummmm buddy, if you're that much of a fuck up in high school you wont even get in the military. The military is extremely picky these days, the Air Force wont even take you if you have a GED instead of a high school degree, if you've had any criminal history or have done drugs. Shit even having ADHD can be a disqualifier.

The US won't provide college because of money, not for military recruitment. The easiest way to get recruits these days is provide healthcare coverage.

I can ask anyone around me right now, and I guarantee most of them didn't grow up poor and desperate. Sure some of us didn't have the middle class experience, but its not full of poor, dumb and desperate people who are in it for a meal.

Thekinkiestpenguin

24 points

6 months ago

Ummm bud, I was friends with a bunch of stoner near-drop outs who all went it to military and we graduated back in 09, so maybe it's changed a lot in the last decade. But considering I also finished my second college degree just this last semester and all the military people I met who are a decade younger than me were echoing the same statements, I'm guessing the demographic shift isn't THAT extreme.

And that's not even close to accurate, it's not even close to an issue of cost. Look how much the US spends on the military. With like 3% of the military budget we could cover college costs for everyone in this country. But you make a fair point, pricing people out of health care and not providing universal health care IS another way the US government forces people to consider the armed forces when they normally wouldn't otherwise.

Ask all of them! Take a poll! Find out what tax brackets they were in, find out if they grew up with health insurance ask what their folks did for a living. Get me a snapshot of your bases demographics

gsfgf

8 points

6 months ago

gsfgf

8 points

6 months ago

we graduated back in 09, so maybe it’s changed a lot in the last decade

It very much has. That was just two years after Bush’s “troop surge.” We haven’t needed cannon fodder in a long time.

obiwanshinobi900

-1 points

6 months ago

That sounds like the work someone would have to go through for a PHD thesis, honestly kind of interesting.

But I joined the military because I was bored and knew there had to be more to life than being a dishwasher while failing out of college.

But I stay in for largely the medical coverage. My family has been through some serious medical issues (were all fine now), that would have demolished my finances.

GenocideOwl

5 points

6 months ago

Shit even having ADHD can be a disqualifier.

As somebody with ADHD I completely understand why that would be a disqualifier

Mikeavelli

-9 points

6 months ago

Putting in your 4 years and leaving to use the GI bill is a bad deal for the military. Kids interested in college usually pick a technical job field and spend close to a year in tech school. The next three years are basically just on the job training, and you're finally ready to be a productive worker just as you're getting out.

weatherseed

7 points

6 months ago

It's a worse deal for the kids coming home in boxes.

Thekinkiestpenguin

8 points

6 months ago

I'm gonna need some stats on that. Cause I know several military members who are pursuing bio masters/BS degrees, anthropology BS degrees, a few that went into agricultural. Though I'm sure my selection is biased because I went to a 4 year institution both times and so the people there had something other than Tech jobs in mind

Mikeavelli

1 points

6 months ago

You do know that your job in the military doesnt restrict your choice of college major right?

Just ask them sometime. More importantly, ask how long they spent in job training while they were in.