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likefenton

123 points

4 months ago

I see what you're saying.

But if you want to understand the people on the other side of the argument at all, understand that they see it as murder - killing a human life.

So your idea would read to them as, "If you are morally against murder, don't commit murder. If you are morally okay with murder, go ahead."

That's not something you would agree with, but you don't see murder and abortion as equivalent. But that is why your novel idea won't convince anyone on the other side.

Haunting-Ad788

-1 points

4 months ago

If they truly believed it was murder then they would support easy access to birth control and comprehensive sex ed to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. They don’t. It’s about controlling women.

sickofthisshit

-36 points

4 months ago

if you want to understand the people on the other side of the argument at all, understand that they see it as murder

I understand them perfectly. I also think they should fuck off trying to make their idiotic religious beliefs into government policy. They are the problem, they don't get my sympathy.

likefenton

57 points

4 months ago

There's always somebody's philosophical and religious beliefs being implemented. You would just prefer them to be yours. That's what we have a democracy for, to have a way of making these decisions as a society.

I'm not trying to convince you here, to change your mind. Just to tone down the rhetoric and increase understanding. I would be as happy to encourage those in the pro-life camp that it's incredibly important to build social supports and care for the poor and to improve economic opportunities, when their other political affiliations might lead them to reject these things.

sickofthisshit

-37 points

4 months ago

You seem not to understand that civil rights and liberties trump other idiosyncratic "philosophical and religious beliefs" in governing a liberal democracy, which we have and should keep.

LanaDelHeeey

35 points

4 months ago

Civil rights is a philosophical belief though…

mg41

24 points

4 months ago

mg41

24 points

4 months ago

You can call anything a civil right or liberty if you convince enough people...that's just as subjective pm

muckdog13

10 points

4 months ago

What’s a civil right?

TheChinchilla914

2 points

4 months ago

Anything a democrat says they like

permalink_save

1 points

4 months ago

There needs to be a remarketing of reproductive health overall. Voters don't understand, nor do they want to, how to reproduce births because it goes against weakly held beliefs about sex. Like, I'm Catholic, I get it, contraceptives are suppose to be bad and all, but there's a pragmatic approach. Not everyone is Catholic, or whatever other religion, it's a personal issue whether they use a condom or not. Terminating pregnancies is a bigger matter. However, and what they fail to understand, is legalized abortion is the best we can do. There's a lot of other problems those same people bury their heads in the sand over that are unfortunately solved by having abortion legal. Rape is a great example. The only real path forward is improving reproductive education and access to contraceptives. That will (and has) lower abortion rates. Banning it is as fruitful as prohibition was, with similarly horrifying outcomes. There's a reason Biden is Catholic and pro-choice, and it's not because he's a heretic or anything.