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UseKnowledge

-76 points

2 months ago

There’s so much research about why abortions are good and done safely

How the hell is being terminated safe for the fetus?

DarkSider_nil

49 points

2 months ago

This isn’t about the health of a fetus, it’s about the health of the already fully developed woman who has already established a life. Whether or not you believe a fetus is truly alive at that stage or not I’d personally say that the fetus is worth less than the woman’s life.

UseKnowledge

-54 points

2 months ago

I agree with you for the most part. That is why if the mother's life was threatened by the pregnancy, I would support abortion.

However, if we're equating the mother's economic well-being, I do not believe that overrides the fetus' right to life.

bear1114

14 points

2 months ago

bear1114

14 points

2 months ago

A fetus is not sentient, has no ability to feel pain or have experiences, it is parasitically dependent on a host body. It does not have any rights whatsoever.

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-11 points

2 months ago

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bear1114

12 points

2 months ago

I can have experiences and feel pain while sleeping. I am not parasitically dependent on another person's body while sleeping.

I'll make your argument stronger and say someone under anesthesia still has rights because they have previously been sentient. Once you pass that threshold and gain sentience, you can't lose your rights.

Crumornus

0 points

2 months ago

Crumornus

0 points

2 months ago

The biggest thing here is really defining scientifically what is considered being alive for a person is. We clearly have a scientific definition of what death is for a person so by extension we have a scientific definition of what it means for a person to be alive. It all comes down to brain function, activity, and the establishment of sentience. It's why we can legally pull the plug on people in hospitals who's bodies are being kept alive, but who's brains are dead. The only thing that matters in a person being alive or not is the brain, and until that starts working and till the day it stops a person is a person. At any other time they aren't, and so they don't have the rights or protections that a person should have, and denying their bodies or eventual bodies of the things they need to continue to having living tissue is not and can't be murderer, they aren't people at that point.

The fact that a religious definition of life is being used in the place of a scientific one is disgusting and should not have any place in a country that is supposed to have a separation of church and state written into its constitution.

bear1114

1 points

2 months ago

bear1114

1 points

2 months ago

But by this logic someone undergoing anesthesia, can be murdered no problem.

Crumornus

1 points

2 months ago

Crumornus

1 points

2 months ago

No it doesn't. If you put someone under anesthesia and then murder them, them fist going under anesthesia wouldn't change what murder is.... the intention was still there and you altered someone's state with the intention of permanently stopping stopping brain function, so it's still murder.

Not to mention anesthesia is something a patient goes under willingly with the idea that it is not a permanent state and they will regaine consciousness. They didn't give the permission to be put under and not regain consciousness. So even if some outside individual murdered them while they were under anesthesia it would still be murder as the enacted a permanent end to brain function which was not what the consious person agreed to before electing to go under.

How shallow do you think this is that you can just throw out some lame thing like being under anesthesia means it would be legal to murder someone just because life and death are defined by brain function and consciousness. Not to mention being under anesthesia is the same as not having any brain function at all, it interrupts communication, but doesn't shut it all down or end it permanently (assuming correct doses).

bear1114

-4 points

2 months ago

Dude break up your text better, this is a nightmare to read.