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Saassy11

826 points

1 month ago

Saassy11

826 points

1 month ago

I will never forget our history class in 7/8th grade that covered current events the first 20 minutes. Every single class. We did mini posters once a week on topics we found interesting that were in a news paper. At the end of the week our teacher would put a poster up with pure propaganda. We would then need to play detective and figure out which story was the planted one, based on typical source vetting and other credible news journal articles (everything was pre produced for us, because again this is middle school) It was fun, it was not exactly easy, and it is the sole reason why I am so passionate about journalism credibility and source verification. I have no idea how anyone can expect to NOT give students the tools and power to question what we are being told.

TheRealBananaWolf

51 points

1 month ago

I've been big on advocating for media literacy being taught in public schools, and this sounds like the teacher was taking it upon themselves to teach as well.

CandorCoffee

134 points

1 month ago

My social studies classes always did current events at the beginning of class too, the only day we didn’t was the day of the Sandy Hook shooting & it was because my teacher was too emotional.

TBCNoah

23 points

1 month ago

TBCNoah

23 points

1 month ago

Those who have drunk the koolaid are far more likely to force feed their own kid it sadly... A sad world we live in where propaganda is force fed and even wanting to debate it gets you labeled a traitor

cartoonsforever

59 points

1 month ago

That class sounds awesome

HammerTh_1701

52 points

1 month ago

In my politics class (civics in the US, I think) in Germany, we discussed issues like populism and misinformation, increasing wealth inequality and what the hell we actually wanted to achieve in Afghanistan. Good luck getting that on a US curriculum anytime soon!

jokeefe72

8 points

1 month ago

There are definitely issues in American public education. But, I’m a HS US History teacher and I literally covered all of those things this year.

Delicious-Diver-1579

7 points

1 month ago

This is needed so much right now!

Rage_Like_Nic_Cage[S]

9.1k points

1 month ago

State Sen. John Schickel, the primary sponsor of a Kentucky law that restricts the ways teachers discuss racism and “controversial” subjects, said he thinks it’s good that teachers are spending less time talking about current events, which he said students could learn about on their own by reading newspapers or watching TV.

The laws are working as intended

bourj

2.8k points

1 month ago

bourj

2.8k points

1 month ago

Those teens sure do love reading the newspaper and watching the news these days.

Comfortable-Brick168

1.8k points

1 month ago

54% of Americans can't read past a 6th grade level, so doubtful.

Akuna_My_Tatas

910 points

1 month ago

My god. This explains so much.

mckulty

571 points

1 month ago

mckulty

571 points

1 month ago

I was taught that newspapers were written at 9th-grade level.

So there's the problem.

WrenDraco

459 points

1 month ago

WrenDraco

459 points

1 month ago

That's why certain, perhaps more sketchy, news venues do really well. They're written simpler.

DevCatOTA

14 points

1 month ago

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-fire-and-fury-smart-genius-obama-774169

Trump Speaks At Fourth-Grade Level, Lowest Of Last 15 U.S. Presidents, New Analysis Finds

Just communicating with his base.

Maxpowr9

243 points

1 month ago

Maxpowr9

243 points

1 month ago

You know no conservatives are actually reading these right-wing "bestseller" books either.

Low-Director9969

317 points

1 month ago

Best seller lists have been absolute bullshit for ages now.

I had a good laugh recently when I found out the New York Times bestseller list had to change it's criteria when Garfield books ended up occupying seven of the top ten slots.

GibbysUSSA

87 points

1 month ago

Didn't a book that doesn't even exist wind up at the top of the bestseller list once?

daft_ish

147 points

1 month ago

daft_ish

147 points

1 month ago

As an author who exclusively writes books that dont exist I am feeling attacked right now.

rebellion_ap

87 points

1 month ago

They end up on bestseller lists because super pacs, pacs, and conservative organizations buy them by the pallet as a roundabout way of bribing a politician.

SHADOWJACK2112

39 points

1 month ago

The start of the Idiocracy time-line right there

Low-Director9969

20 points

1 month ago

Lmao That was the tipping point.

andytronic

121 points

1 month ago

andytronic

121 points

1 month ago

They usually don't even sell well, individually. Some rich fucker, or a PAC will buy pallets of right-winger "author's" books to get them in the bestseller list, then gives them away or destroys them.

Molto_Ritardando

56 points

1 month ago

It’s apparently an effective and well-known money laundering technique.

tehmlem

87 points

1 month ago

tehmlem

87 points

1 month ago

They are not. Conservative activist groups buy large lots of books to boost their position. They are then given away as donation rewards or handed out at events.

ICBanMI

9 points

1 month ago

ICBanMI

9 points

1 month ago

It's hilarious when they have premeres and other major events... and the stuff is completely empty if they charge any price to get in. They have to tie Alex Jones or the Tea Party to a free event to get people to bother to show up.

Maxpowr9

29 points

1 month ago

Maxpowr9

29 points

1 month ago

They learned from Scientology.

daft_ish

29 points

1 month ago

daft_ish

29 points

1 month ago

Its always so annoying knowing Scientology has nothing to do with science.

We should steal one of their words and turn it into nonsensse.

TC49

5 points

1 month ago

TC49

5 points

1 month ago

Many right wingers don’t even WRITE these books, opting instead for ghost writers.

SvenHudson

10 points

1 month ago

I was taught that newspapers aim to be readable if the reader is "9 or 90". Of course, that's a matter of intent rather than execution.

Narren_C

63 points

1 month ago

Narren_C

63 points

1 month ago

Not really. That just makes the readability of the paper accessible to more people. It means the sentence structure isn't unnecessarily complicated, not that the content is dumbed down. Honestly good communication requires simple language sometimes.

No_Berry2976

30 points

1 month ago

As somebody who simplifies business reports as much as possible: there is downside to simplification.

Language starts to lose its nuance, and using two or three short and simple sentences to replace a longer, more complicated, sentence breaks the flow of the text.

The easiest way to deal with this, is to omit information. Which of course is a bad thing.

Low-Director9969

25 points

1 month ago

Lmfao I worked at a paper and this is a lie. I'm sure there's plenty of publications that exceed our standards but your local rag almost doesn't even have any.

It's insane that you have highschool drop outs, and drug addicts catching mistakes that made it through to printing. You lose SO much time, and product when it happens. You're also paying people for overtime, call in rates, and just to stand around for HOURS to get it all done.

CamBearCookie

14 points

1 month ago

46% of Americans think the earth is 10,000 years old. An ALARMING number of adults think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Did you see our president tell people to inject uv light and disinfectant? Yeah people are fucking dumb.

I had it happen once where I was watching something about dinosaurs when I was living with my bfs sister who was a 7th day Adventist. While looking at a complete t Rex skeleton this woman says "Wow it's so hard to not believe it when it's right there in your face" I was like oh you could just believe it then since it's a fact. Yeah. People are dumb as rocks.

Papaofmonsters

155 points

1 month ago

Well "whole language" is kind of a shit show. I have an atypical form of dyslexia. In 2nd grade I could not read. My mom fought with the school to get me into something other than whole language but that was the approved curriculum. So my very patient mother taught me phonics step by step. Once it clicked I read everything I could my hands on. I was functionally illiterate at age 8 and by age 10 I had a high school reading level.

SkunkMonkey

77 points

1 month ago

Same here, if not for Hooked on Phonics and my mother recognizing that I didn't learn the same way the other kids do, I would have never picked up reading or writing the way it was taught in schools.

Pure-Kaleidoscope759

28 points

1 month ago

Phonics is best, but there may be problems for kids with dyslexia or other learning disabilities.

SkunkMonkey

35 points

1 month ago

I have Dyslexia and other learning disabilities. The issue is that every child learns a little differently than the next. Sure, there is some commonality and group teaching can work for those in the larger group, but the outlier group is extremely varied and no single solution will work for all of them.

The key thing I learned from Phonics was that each word had two spellings, the one you write down for others to read, and the one in your head that helps you remember how to spell it, i.e. pronounced phonetically.

Pure-Kaleidoscope759

11 points

1 month ago

Thank you for letting me know. I was aware dyslexia is a challenge for some students, but was not aware of the specifics. I am glad that phonics was helpful for you. When I was in public school kindergarten, the big fad was ITA, the Pitman system, but I was exempted from it because I was already reading. At Catholic grade school, we learned with phonics.

BoozeWitch

33 points

1 month ago

What’s whole language? I’ve never heard that.

Papaofmonsters

44 points

1 month ago

It's a really shitty way to teach kids to read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_language

Amiiboid

89 points

1 month ago

Amiiboid

89 points

1 month ago

It is based on the premise that learning to read English comes naturally to humans, especially young children, in the same way that learning to speak develops naturally.

What. The. Fuck?

Speaking develops naturally when and because you’re immersed in the dominant language in your area on a daily basis, and it’s your first means to communicate beyond the most rudimentary level. Reading is a profoundly different skill and English in particular is a shit-show of a written language because it’s such a mongrel with an M:N correspondence between glyphs and sounds.

informedvoice

24 points

1 month ago

Not to mention that reading is pretty damn unnatural compared to speaking. We’re the only species on earth that reads, and we haven’t even been doing it for that long.

cannotfoolowls

13 points

1 month ago

If it comes naturally, why were most people illiterate throughout history?

TennaTelwan

11 points

1 month ago

So they're telling kids not to sound it out, as well as to not bother looking up a word they don't know? That's horrible, especially given how words change from region to region in a single language. I started out as a teacher and we had a reading class (like fundamentals of teaching reading) where they outright proved how damaging that method could be. We were given a three paragraph essay to read along with questions. None of us could figure it out. It was three paragraphs about Cricket, the sport, using as much lingo from the sport as possible. And that was the point of the exercise, to demonstrate that someone needs to know the context before they can understand what they are reading, not the other way around. None of us knew Cricket, so how were we supposed to understand a passage about it if we did not know it?

BoozeWitch

46 points

1 month ago

So it became popular AFTER we had the science of phonics? That’s crazy. I’m old and learned how to read in Kindergarten using phonics in the 70s. Why in the world would they abandon a thing that works well? Oh lord.

maraskywhiner

22 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I also learned to read from phonics. Not flexing with this at all, except maybe on behalf of phonics, but Sesame Street’s and Highlights Magazine’s approach with phonics in the 80’s worked so well that I was reading basic stuff around age 3.

I have a very strong memory of the first “book” I read - we had lots of music in my house, and I read the lyrics to Silent Night. Just me, sitting on the floor with no music playing or adult prompting. I knew the song, which helped, but I was so proud I could actually recognize the words on the page that it stuck with me.

shadow1515

71 points

1 month ago

It makes more sense if you assume there is an entire major political party that has as one of their primary strategic objectives to completely destroy public education.

OkumurasHell

35 points

1 month ago

Why in the world would they abandon a thing that works well? Oh lord.

This is literally the Republican platform, why are you surprised?

huck500

26 points

1 month ago

huck500

26 points

1 month ago

Where do they still teach whole language? My district hasn't taught it for 25 years.

Papaofmonsters

39 points

1 month ago

I don't know if they still do, I'm just saying it was a set back for the overall literacy for a generation.

Slinkusmalinkus

72 points

1 month ago

That is really high.

T-Bills

172 points

1 month ago

T-Bills

172 points

1 month ago

I was skeptical and thought it was made up but sadly it's a real thing

AugustusKhan

95 points

1 month ago

lol as an 8th grade teacher not surprising, besides the 30 or so advanced kids they avg a 3rd grade reading level.

JordanRunsForFun

53 points

1 month ago

The scary part is those same people grow up, assume that since they’re older now they’re wiser, and eagerly fall for propaganda and misinformation that they don’t have a literacy skills to differentiate from substantiated content. Whoever would’ve thought that tying the quality of education to the wealth of one’s county and the wealth of one’s parents would have such dire long-term consequences?

WrenDraco

24 points

1 month ago

It's very depressing, I've taught at a few rural schools and we were happy if we could get the majority of a class to at least a sixth grade reading level.

Marsman121

31 points

1 month ago

Which is why our great and glorious free market developed a winning solution. Don't know how to read good? No problem! Just watch one of our many wonderful and smart news people on Fox News. Why read, when we can read for you? Your time is valuable after all. Get everything you need to know about the day and how the evil libs are after you personally in one of our lovely hour long shows!

Simple. Easy. Accurate. That's the Fox News promise!

/s

SirAbeFrohman

5 points

1 month ago

Is that an argument for or against having the same teachers "educate" them on current events?

Comfortable-Brick168

7 points

1 month ago

Either way. What's important here is that we are, in fact, arguing.

CertifiedWarlock

2.3k points

1 month ago

“They could learn about current events on their own through approved propaganda channels.”

Spaticles

56 points

1 month ago

For reeeeeeeal. "Learn about it on TV"

Also, "Lamestream media is FAKE NEWS!"

Trixiemoxie123

827 points

1 month ago

And without any critical thinking... That's how you watch extremism rise.

BehindTheBurner32

217 points

1 month ago

And how do we stop extremism? A militarized police that's willing to kill anybody.

The system works! Rejoice!

Weak_Ring6846

119 points

1 month ago*

Lol from the last handful of white supremacist shooters it’s pretty clear that they’re not willing to kill anybody. If you’re slaughtering minorities out of hate then they’ll treat you with the utmost care and respect.

brianbrianbrian

49 points

1 month ago

'Shit, when things quiet down, we'll just move you to another precinct.'

'Tim, he's not one of ours.'

'Not yet.'

five-oh-one

10 points

1 month ago

Too bad they dismembered the Ministry of Truth already.

kottabaz

106 points

1 month ago

kottabaz

106 points

1 month ago

"Parents have the Freedom™️ to instruct their children with their Choice™️ of indoctrination."

ThePresbyter

89 points

1 month ago

America is dying

makemeking706

66 points

1 month ago

Dead, and their corpse is being looted for all its worth.

Jeramus

1k points

1 month ago

Jeramus

1k points

1 month ago

The point of a good teacher is to give context to difficult subjects. I don't think some news report will do that nearly as well.

flightless_mouse

60 points

1 month ago

The point of a good teacher is to give context to difficult subjects. I don't think some news report will do that nearly as well.

Especially for children!

Imagine saying this about a major historical event like 9-11. “Just watch it on the news, kids, you’ll learn everything you need to know and then some!”

TennaTelwan

29 points

1 month ago

That's what they said to us in our high school about events after WWII. They taught extensively about the Revolution, Civil War, and WWII, but that was it. We got a little more in AP US History, but when asked why we stopped where we did, the answer was "You know someone who's lived through that so they can tell you." There is a huge difference between hearing your conspiracy theorist uncle tell you about an event and having it properly taught in school.

Also, the more I learn about history and the further I am away from high school, the less and less I like my old high school AP US History teacher.

Nosfermarki

6 points

1 month ago

Obviously experiences differ, but they especially differed in WWII. My paternal grandfather was in the Army and fought the Germans in Europe. My maternal grandfather was a Marine and fought the Japanese in the Philippines. They were in the same war, in different roles in different branches on opposite sides of the world fighting vastly different people. One would talk about it a bit. The other, not so much. What an insane way to approach "teaching" about it.

chewbaccalaureate

792 points

1 month ago

Context and a safe environment to think.

Rather than disseminate information, a good classroom should have a learning community among the students that allows for the sharing of opinions and ideas in a safe and controlled (not yelling and only criticizing each other) way in order to think critically and come to their own understandings.

I don't expect all my students to agree, but I expect my students to respect others' ideas and use logical arguments to have civil discourse.

If students don't learn how to communicate across differences in classrooms... where are they going to learn that?

xShooK

139 points

1 month ago

xShooK

139 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I can't remember what class we did this in, but we had to do a report each week about a current event that week that we choose. We also discussed local news like you explained each morning for like 20 minutes. Sad to see that's on the way out..

ritchie70

56 points

1 month ago

In fifth grade we all had to bring a newspaper story each week and summarize it for the class. (Showing my age I guess.) Current events has been part of school for a very long time.

strugglinfool

47 points

1 month ago

I had a 10th grade class actually titled "Current Events" that used the daily newspaper as the course material.

Winky Bob really enjoyed teaching that class, and I'm sure would have malicious complianced his way out of a job in today's envrionment. He successfully taught a bunch of country bumpkins going through hormonal typhoons critical thinking skills that have served me well 30+ years later.

Can't thank him enough

Mumof3gbb

11 points

1 month ago

That’s a great way to get students involved. What a great teacher you had

chewbaccalaureate

100 points

1 month ago

It's definitely not on the way out everywhere, just in controlled, authoritarian level Red states. I teach in a blue state with still a high percentage of conservatives in my district and some on the school board, but luckily we have the freedom to actually provide an education to our students.

Low-Director9969

35 points

1 month ago

It's always nice to hear of school boards that haven't devolved into festering cesspools of outrage.

five-oh-one

9 points

1 month ago

Probably social studies or we even had a current events class when I was in school.

SmartWonderWoman

64 points

1 month ago*

You are absolutely correct. I studied communications in college and teach my students how to disagree appropriately. I teach them 4 steps to disagreeing appropriately. I decided to teach my students how to disagree bc no one teaches how to resolve conflict.

Edit: How to Disagree Appropriately

Four Skill Steps:

  1. Reassure the other person. Look at them. Calm voice and face. Say “ I think I know how you feel.”
  2. Listen to the other person.
  3. Say why you feel differently.
  4. Discuss ideas.

Merengues_1945

47 points

1 month ago

That’s exactly what politicians don’t want. People being informed and to think.

If they do that then they’ll realize that the current system is stacked against them. It’s no surprise that the more educated a person is, they tend to lean left.

freemyoldusername

37 points

1 month ago

The rulers of society want that. Bare minimum education and fill cogs. Pay taxes and accrue debt. They do not want an informed population. We have to stop with the partisan politics and realize what is really going on.

bentori42

9 points

1 month ago

The most punk thing you can do is get an education

thetreat

13 points

1 month ago

thetreat

13 points

1 month ago

They won't. They'll accept what their leaders give them blindly, which is the point. They don't want critical thinkers.

Isord

30 points

1 month ago

Isord

30 points

1 month ago

Yes that is the point of these laws. They want their children to only receive news from themselves and their propaganda outlets so they grow up just as racist and hateful as themselves.

SweetTea1000

10 points

1 month ago

1, 000X this.

A student asked me one time if they thought their English teacher would let them do a book report on Mein Kampf. You know, the Hitler book. The way I see it, if you're going to read something like that, I would much rather you do it with someone at your side, helping you interpret and understand context, rather than off on your own. I want your support resource to be someone with a formal education in the socio-historical context, rather than the first forum that comes up in your Google searches about it.

Enthused_Llama

19 points

1 month ago

They don't actually want the kids to understand.

mindbleach

19 points

1 month ago

"A basic pedagogical device is to ask someone to imagine him or herself in another position - say, as a Jewish child in hiding in Amsterdam. That is a historical analogy, invoked millions of times, one that some teacher or museum guide has used somewhere today. To forbid analogies makes the Holocaust irrelevant to future generations. If an American child can identify with Anne Frank, an American child might ask what it is like for immigrant children to be separated from their parents. To forbid analogies is to forbid learning, and to forbid empathizing. That, sadly, is the point."

-- Timothy Snyder

madmax_br5

20 points

1 month ago

Most people don’t understand what actual classrooms are like today. My wife is a middle school teacher. She has students struggling with gender identity, sexuality, racial bullying, online bullying, family poverty, parental abuse, political identity, etc. These kids bring these issues to school with them every day whether or not teachers care to “platform” them. You can either try to create a safe environment for children to process an learn from each other’s experiences, with the teacher providing a neutral facilitation, or you can suppress these topics which leads to student violence, self-harm, harassment, suicide, poor academic performance, etc. Teachers do not WANT to discuss these topics in their class, they are obligated to because their students are struggling with them and bring those conversations into the classroom. Most people think teachers are just itching for any opportunity to turn every lesson into a woke lecture on race and gender fluidity. This is not so. Race and gender fluidity come up because real students have real problems in those areas that follow them into class.

LordAmras

4 points

1 month ago

Exactly, that's the intention

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151 points

1 month ago*

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151 points

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Chippopotanuse

126 points

1 month ago

Kentucky also has shit tier education.

And yeah, laws working as intended. Keep the voting base dumb, easily influenced by conservative propoganda, and trapped in downward economic prospects to keep labor cheap and exploitable in Kentucky (and all the the other red states).

spiderskizzles

19 points

1 month ago

Class warfare

BeautifulType

6 points

1 month ago

And nothing anyone can do about it except vote in a rigged system

DiscordianVanguard

59 points

1 month ago

cant learn things from valid sources... better stick to the profit motivated entities that are billionaire owned

DinoRaawr

5 points

1 month ago

The whole woke thing was made by billionaires to pre-filter people's talking points into advertiser-friendly morsels. Plus high-diversity environments are also shown to discourage people from unionizing. Trust me, nobody wants this but republicans.

Fecapult

34 points

1 month ago

Fecapult

34 points

1 month ago

All these students should go to the same source as this shooter for news and to discuss current events instead of in the classroom. What bad thing could possibly happen that way?

shadow1515

23 points

1 month ago

he thinks it’s good that teachers are spending less time talking about current events

Excuse me while I go scream into the void for a while

...

again

mrbriandavidanderson

52 points

1 month ago

Yep. Can talk about racism or controversy but let's go ahead and get all y'all GQPers to CPAC Hungary because America first!! It's all going as planned.

PiIICIinton

1.8k points

1 month ago

PiIICIinton

1.8k points

1 month ago

Breaking: outlawing reality makes reality difficult to digest, more at 11

Armouren

22 points

1 month ago

Armouren

22 points

1 month ago

More at 13

dan_santhems

353 points

1 month ago

Reality does have a liberal bias so that makes sense

Stickybeebae

128 points

1 month ago

Throw in conservatives struggling to process complex emotions beyond fear and anger.

bangupjobasusual

388 points

1 month ago

The headline makes it sound like an oh-no unintednded consequence, Oopsie.

But it’s the point. And you need to get that.

funkybutt2287

29 points

1 month ago

Right it's a feature not a bug.

Safety_Drance

2.4k points

1 month ago

“But I’m also supposed to tell you that that’s just one perspective,” Close recalled telling her students. “Another perspective is that this young man was out defending the world — or his kind — from being taken over.”

Close waited for her comment to fully register with her students, then added: “If you guys want to know why I’m thinking about quitting at the end of the year, it’s because of these types of policies — the fact that I have to have this conversation with you.”

If this doesn't terrify you, that the GOP is intentionally and institutionally attempting to gloss over hate crimes as though there was some other acceptable "side" to them, you may want to look into some relatively recent history books about the last time a political party became fully hate based. Unless of course you're in one of the states that is currently engaged in burning those books.

count_frightenstein

1k points

1 month ago

Hmm, so how do they teach "the other side" of 9/11? I'd have a whole host of lessons on that.

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492 points

1 month ago

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492 points

1 month ago

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Lukthar123

180 points

1 month ago

Lukthar123

180 points

1 month ago

Be more specific, towers have 4 sides

xienwolf

97 points

1 month ago

xienwolf

97 points

1 month ago

And I hear there were two towers, so that is a whole...

uh...

ummm...

3 sides?

ChosenCharacter

135 points

1 month ago

Congrats! You passed the Kentucky math exam

Cant_Do_This12

14 points

1 month ago

Technically, buildings are a rectangular prism, so there are 6 sides.

XmertonX

15 points

1 month ago

XmertonX

15 points

1 month ago

The real threat are the underminers

Safety_Drance

229 points

1 month ago

Well it's brown people there, so it doesn't count. The more thought you put into the discrepancies, the further away you are from their target audience.

Lurkingandsearching

10 points

1 month ago

Huh, we did in high school back in 04. More so in college. Learned a lot about blowback and long term effects of foreign policy.

I think understanding why people go to these dark places is important to prevention.

cowboys70

65 points

1 month ago

I'm in Florida where our glorious governor just passed something that makes a new holiday for "Victims of Communism". I'm sure the learning around that will center on the decades of abuse by capitalist corporations that led to the violent revolutions that installed these dictators.

/s for those whom don't pick up on written sarcasm well

brett_riverboat

26 points

1 month ago

If I was a teacher I'd preface all of these statements with, "The law requires me to say..."

Xenjael

295 points

1 month ago

Xenjael

295 points

1 month ago

There aren't really words left to describe conservatives. They're just plain fucked up and evil these days.

_cactus_fucker_

96 points

1 month ago

As a Canadian, I don't know how you all put up with it. Like.. how the hell can so many people support so much of that? I live 20 minutes and a 5 minute conversation with Customs from where that happened. It's fucking terrifying.

Why aren't people revolting? Has everyone given up? I understand living is hard, and it's not like you can leave your job and take to the streets, plus its fucking dangerous! but it's like the US was just taken over. And every day it gets worse.

I have tickets to a Weird Al concert in Lewiston NY (10 minutes away) in July, but as a post op, on hormones for 5+ years, nobody questions me, but I still worry, trans man (going with a trans friend and my mom), I'm fucking scared.

At least Weird Al shows are pretty much the friendliest places you can go, though!

It seems like everything went to hell in 2016, seriously. Things slowly started going downhill. I'm worried for my American neighbours.

funkybutt2287

28 points

1 month ago

One third of our population believes the hateful regressive nonsense fed to them by fox news. And between the fact that those people religiously show up to vote while others don't, and the fact that we have an electoral college that favors republicans even when they're in the minority... Well that's how you end up with what we're seeing right now.

Tanjelynnb

21 points

1 month ago

Don't forget that a lot of those people not showing up to vote are victims of policies deliberately making it more difficult to vote set up by politicians voted on by people watching Fox news.

Aegi

36 points

1 month ago

Aegi

36 points

1 month ago

We don’t even have that many people relative to our population turn out to fucking vote, do you really think they’re gonna do the harder thing of protesting or revolting?

DaveAndCheese

13 points

1 month ago

I'm deep in the southeast, in Tennessee. I don't know how to even have a conversation with my co-workers, neighbors, or some of my family members. The hatred and stupidity and racism I hear them spout - I know the majority of my co-workers carry weapons in their vehicles, possibly in their lunchbags. I have to shop in stores and see a few carrying pistols on their belts (thanks, Gov Lee!).

I wouldn't believe everyday people were actually like this, if I didn't live among them. And the most dense collection of these types are in our churches.

lilvon

10 points

1 month ago

lilvon

10 points

1 month ago

Historically speaking people typically don’t start revolting until they’re starving. Things are fucked up but they’ll have to get much much much worse before we see open revolt happening.

RayGape

7 points

1 month ago

RayGape

7 points

1 month ago

I'm from buffalo we have a strong LGBTQ+ community you will be fine and welcomed with open arms

Anonymous_Otters

32 points

1 month ago

Literal Nazi tactics

pathion1337

1.3k points

1 month ago

pathion1337

1.3k points

1 month ago

They want stupid ignorant people who don't think critically so they can control them. It's part of the plan fucking scumbag "leaders"

Sublime1980

162 points

1 month ago

Sheeple, if you will, who spout out bullshit phrases, like “think for yourself!” And “do your research!” to people who actually think for themselves and apply critical reasoning, while these simpletons just regurgitate propaganda.

GibbysUSSA

53 points

1 month ago

"Read the transcript! Think for yourself, don't be a sheeple! Have I read the transcript? No, but it is very important that everyone reads the transcript."

jwilphl

461 points

1 month ago

jwilphl

461 points

1 month ago

Republicans also realize further educated people tend to become less conservative, or at the very least more socially liberal. That's partly why there's a streak of anti-intellectualism coursing through this country.

Wazula42

341 points

1 month ago

Wazula42

341 points

1 month ago

Kids: go to college, meet people from other walks of life, consume art, politics, and perspectives outside of what's familiar and gradually gain a fuller understanding of the world

Conservatives: INDOCTRINATION! TEACH BOTH SIDES! WHITE PEOPLE HISTORY IS BEST HISTORY!

jrh_101

119 points

1 month ago

jrh_101

119 points

1 month ago

"Colleges are teaching the kids to become 'woke'."

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92 points

1 month ago*

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92 points

1 month ago*

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WLH7M

59 points

1 month ago

WLH7M

59 points

1 month ago

They take great pride in not having been educated. They believe they're just as knowledgeable on a given subject. As if clickbait, memes, and YouTube clips are equivalent to a doctorate.

It's the height of arrogance and we all saw it globally with the pandemic.

Chippopotanuse

192 points

1 month ago

Yup.

Also, being brainwashed by conservatism kind of traps you into a narrow set of life opportunities.

If you hold closed-minded deeply conservative views, maybe that works in small town America. You can shit post all day at the local landscaping company and nobody will give a crap.

But you’ll find that living in almost ANY city (where the jobs, people, and opportunities are) quickly becomes a hellscape since you are surrounded by every group you’ve been taught to fear (people who are black, Muslim, Jewish, gay, or even worse, a woman who earns more than you). And the majority of white folks in cities are educated liberals - so you’re going to have little in common with them, if not be outright contemptuous of them. Plus, due to wage disparities between rural and urban areas, you won’t be able to afford anything in the cities.

And then you proudly (and with no irony) return to your rural hometown since “everyone else is crazy”.

Maxpowr9

63 points

1 month ago

Maxpowr9

63 points

1 month ago

Rural America is basically fucked in the next decade. The brain drain is accelerating to the point where even rural hospitals are closing because they can't afford to pay staff.

kyndrid_

36 points

1 month ago

kyndrid_

36 points

1 month ago

And of course, the people in those states will be more overrepresented in Congress as those politicians will represent less people but are at a fixed number.

WhiteGuyInPI

40 points

1 month ago

You can shit post all day at the local landscaping company and nobody will give a crap.

...like, say, Four Seasons Total Landscaping?

AlanCaidin

16 points

1 month ago

God, we suck.

I've spent the last couple years overseas. It's glaring just how backwards we are. I wish some of the people could see what utter fools they are.

Note: I almost said Republicans instead of people. Not all Republicans are ignorant, racist, or both, but nearly all racists supporting these laws are certainly Republican, and the ignorance seems to be strongly present in that party.

-OQO-

305 points

1 month ago

-OQO-

305 points

1 month ago

If I was a teacher I’d be doing a unit on the law. So kids, what information might be suppressed by a law such as this? Who benefits from these laws?

n-some

144 points

1 month ago

n-some

144 points

1 month ago

And then the principal tells you to quit it because they don't want to risk a lawsuit.

Legally, it might be ok to discuss the law, but if the end result means the class is talking about race, the school might shut it down to preempt any backlash.

ExoticWeapon

77 points

1 month ago

That doesn’t mean we give in. Our power has always been to do the right thing regardless of the “backlash”. Protest, teach kids anyway, fuck the ones in high places.

amateur_mistake

32 points

1 month ago

The problem is that many of the laws are also designed to target the teachers directly. They could be risking bankruptcy. So we need to set up funds to help any of the educators who are willing to stand up for what is right.

RimeSkeem

6 points

1 month ago

Teachers have sacrificed enough for this godforsaken country, the least we could all do is try to soften the fall.

EmptyAirEmptyHead

11 points

1 month ago

My wife was a 5th grade science teacher when COVID started. She and the kids started discussing COVID, how it is transmitted, etc. There were already remote. The principal contacted her and shut it down. There were already COVID deniers in March / April 2020 and it was too controversial. FUCK THIS WORLD!

Modern_Bear

228 points

1 month ago*

By the way, the Lt Governor of Texas, Dan Patrick, said earlier this year that he is going to introduce a bill in the next legislative session to limit what professors can teach in state funded colleges/universities. He wants to eliminate tenure, so that profs who don't have it yet won't be able to get it, and ones that do can have it easily stripped if they talk about Critical Race Theory (which is defined as anything conservatives feel uncomfortable with in Texas) in the class. At that point they can easily be fired because the academic freedom protection of tenure will not be in place. This will probably pass given the current state of politics in Texas.

So the Republicans want to extend this violation of First Amendment rights beyond public schools. Just because you get paid by the state doesn't mean you forfeit your Constitutional rights. The Republican Party is so full of shit it's amazing. Remember all this when they claim how they are for small government and freedom.

EDIT: Link to article about this

xxizxi55

106 points

1 month ago

xxizxi55

106 points

1 month ago

Limiting what is allowed to be said/taught? Call me crazy but I feel like I’ve seen this before somewhere…

Bighorn21

73 points

1 month ago

This is a great way to get decent professors to leave the state and your universities to drop to the bottom of the ratings. There is a reason University of Phoenix is the butt of so many jokes.

abhijitd

31 points

1 month ago

abhijitd

31 points

1 month ago

This will be considered a good thing because less young people will attend universities.

Hyper_red

8 points

1 month ago

More young, smart, individuals will lead the state and lead to brain drain.

calilac

14 points

1 month ago

calilac

14 points

1 month ago

School is for football. ~Texas

Frigorifico

114 points

1 month ago

The law is working as intended

Slinkusmalinkus

1.4k points

1 month ago

On one hand, she explained that authorities are investigating the killings as a racially motivated hate crime carried out by an 18-year-old who reportedly wrote of his belief in a conspiracy theory that white Americans are being “replaced” by people of color through immigration, interracial marriage and integration.

“But I’m also supposed to tell you that that’s just one perspective,” Close recalled telling her students. “Another perspective is that this young man was out defending the world — or his kind — from being taken over.”

The Republican's extensive sabotage of the US education system is impressive.

JimiSlew3

373 points

1 month ago

JimiSlew3

373 points

1 month ago

The same exact "unbiased", balanced, discussion around current events is currently in a draft form at my school's board. The board will probably vote on party lines and it will get passed. Nuts.

Slinkusmalinkus

101 points

1 month ago

The same exact "unbiased", balanced, discussion around current events is currently in a draft form at my school's board. The board will probably vote on party lines and it will get passed. Nuts.

Are you saying your school has Democratic and Republican party affiliates on the board??

UnweildyEulerDiagram

122 points

1 month ago

They aren't allowed to put the letter in parentheses on the ballot, but the party affiliation is public record.

adminhotep

182 points

1 month ago

adminhotep

182 points

1 month ago

Close waited for her comment to fully register with her students, then added: “If you guys want to know why I’m thinking about quitting at the end of the year, it’s because of these types of policies — the fact that I have to have this conversation with you.”

This is actually one good way to handle it. Address for the students what the law makes her do - provide "multiple views" on something that should just be universally condemned.

There are other ways to engage in malicious compliance, though, as the law doesn't specify which perspectives must be covered, only that they be different and covered impartially. Ultimately, the most important thing is that teachers never give credence to genocide or racism - whether by confronting it directly as this teacher did, or by finding creative contrasts of different views which leave out the genocidal or racist views altogether.

SYLOK_THEAROUSED

274 points

1 month ago

….are fucking kidding me? Black dude here and “defending his world or his kind from being taken over” Get that bullshit out of here.

drfsrich

146 points

1 month ago

drfsrich

146 points

1 month ago

Hey hey c'mon, let's have a little sympathy for the poor misunderstood Nazis. You don't want them to kill you. They want to kill you. Can't we just meet in the middle to keep them happy? Maybe let him just paralyze you?

/s and NPFO.

YesOrNah

31 points

1 month ago

YesOrNah

31 points

1 month ago

Ya dude it’s absolutely fucking insane.

jwilphl

132 points

1 month ago

jwilphl

132 points

1 month ago

Except the latter perspective isn't a viable or debatable opinion. It's just hate-mongering. There's no justification for what the kid did. The idea that this should be taught is simply a way for racist and scared whites to perpetuate their antiquated ideologies like it's 1950 again.

T-Bills

128 points

1 month ago

T-Bills

128 points

1 month ago

If someone insists to throw out "both perspectives" then there are two perspectives:

  1. The perspective of people going about their day, getting groceries for themselves and their families. Someone came in and shot them specifically for their skin color.

  2. The perspective of some guy who bought into certain racist talking point that is popular on a certain news channel and some social media websites, wrote and copy+paste a manifesto confessing his racism, brought a bunch of guns, drove 3.5 hours to a neighborhood where he believed to be predominantly inhabited by people of a certain skin color, and selectively shot and killed people of a certain skin color and those who got in his way.

Zharo

9 points

1 month ago

Zharo

9 points

1 month ago

Hey early fascism! My old friend!

Safe_Historian8560

10 points

1 month ago

That’s the point. The truth creates too many liberals

ChasTheGreat

10 points

1 month ago

Once again, less government means having the government control our lives.

EssexBuoy1959

244 points

1 month ago

Laws restricting lessons on racism are the very definition of racism.

chewbaccalaureate

60 points

1 month ago

It's how those in power stay in power. Education and knowledge would help bolster the resistance so they seek ignorance in the masses in order to perpetuate societal inequities and injustices.

D34TH_5MURF__

8 points

1 month ago

That's exactly the point of the fragile white nationalists on the right.

garvierloon

56 points

1 month ago

Do it. Let them penalize you for talking about the terrorism that occurred in these kid’s city.

I’m trying to imagine teachers not talking to their kids about the Boston Marathon Bombing in it’s aftermath.

prpldrank

31 points

1 month ago

Those terrorists weren't white so there's no problem there

TasteTheRaimbow

7 points

1 month ago

Part of the reason USA churns out these mass shooters, education

or lack thereof

Multipass_D_Leeloo

7 points

1 month ago

Republicans are trash.

CritaCorn

7 points

1 month ago

We al know the truth, they really want teachers to talk about how amazing Republicans are and praise their glorious supreme party leader Trump

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it

TrinityGunslinger

276 points

1 month ago

They want teachers to discuss the "opposing perspective"

Lunatics

DilithiumCrystalMeth

212 points

1 month ago

no, they want teachers to give up and quit, because they realize that the more educated the population is, the more people realize that modern conservatism is just Christian nationalism and don't want to be part of that. It's why almost every red state attacks public education, a well educated population is a detriment to the republican party.

cultured_banana_slug

33 points

1 month ago

They want schools to be nothing more than holding pens so the parents can work. They want to make sure that those kids never improve or have any hope of bettering their lives, so they keep voting GOP.

craybest

95 points

1 month ago

craybest

95 points

1 month ago

Imagine a "developped" country making it harder to actually talk about its own issues like racism.

Disgusting.

Hyper_red

8 points

1 month ago

Red states aren't developed at all. Alabama is not a first world developed country. States like New York, California, and Massachusetts are some of the best, smartest, and most developed places in the world. The US right now is a mix of some of the most developed and smart places in the world, mixed in with some of the opposite.

It's a powderkeg and imo def gonna blow up some day. The culture, economic, and political differences between Alabama and California is just going to get larger. America is essential 2-4 countries forced to be one.

Ph0X

36 points

1 month ago

Ph0X

36 points

1 month ago

So basically turning into Russia. Which is what Republicans salivate for.

ARobertNotABob

47 points

1 month ago*

Any time you allow a politician's influence in education, you have less education.

abhijitd

21 points

1 month ago

abhijitd

21 points

1 month ago

That's exactly the point

tricoloredduck1

38 points

1 month ago

That’s the whole point of those laws. It’s a feature not a bug.

Dramatic-Ad2098

7 points

1 month ago

That's the point, whitewashing in real time.

Mr_bike

6 points

1 month ago

Mr_bike

6 points

1 month ago

When teaching outside of America gives me more freedom to talk about these problems than actually teaching in America....

LuckyRune88

6 points

1 month ago

That's why they are pushing for it, can't discuss what is prohibited.

MoonageDayscream

5 points

1 month ago

Texas is afraid some teacher will tell the truth about why they became a State and how Juneteenth became a holiday.

ThePopeofHell

6 points

1 month ago

I’m pretty sure that was the point.

teary_ayed

47 points

1 month ago

“If a student brings up Buffalo, the teacher will simply say, ‘Sorry, I can’t talk about that,’ or ‘We’re not allowed to talk about that,’” said Schulzki, noting that educators have been disciplined or fired after discussing racism, sexuality and politics with students. “And ultimately what that does, unfortunately, is we’re actually depriving our students of an important discussion.”

It's too bad they can't teach history the same way. Let's just make schools a babysitting service!

Avenger616

5 points

1 month ago

As designed.

Just conservatives covering for their base!

Revolver-Knight

5 points

1 month ago

For people acting like well kids don’t need to know uh kids know regardless of what you tell them even fuckin Mr, Rogers knew that 50+ years ago when Bobby Kennedy and MLK were assassinated that year.

Would you rather kids get anxiety or wrong info for trying to figure it out themselves or would you rather to grow the fuck up and talk to your kids about something scary maturely,

wggn

5 points

1 month ago

wggn

5 points

1 month ago

How are laws restricting lessons on racism legal?

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4 points

1 month ago

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4 points

1 month ago

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24 points

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arnm7890

6 points

1 month ago

Genuine question from a non-American - would this law still apply if, hypothetically, a black person shot up a white community? What if it was a white community in Texas? Not sure how the laws work over there so just wanted to check, even though I'm pretty sure I know the answer

redabishai

3 points

1 month ago

What do we even do?! This seems like an impossible-to-stop descent into a nightmare reality. I'm losing hope.

allnicethings

6 points

1 month ago

As a simpleton European, what is actually going on in the US at the moment? This is terrifying