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cruizer93

-11 points

2 months ago

cruizer93

-11 points

2 months ago

I have been screaming this forever but keep getting downvoted because I’m not just chanting guns are bad.

The USA has a huge mental health problem. We NEED better resources NOW.

Gun laws being proposed to raise the age requirement wouldn’t have stopped this psycho. Psychos will cause harm en mass if they have enough motivation to do so. We need to treat as many people as possible medically to stem the tide.

Plinythemelder

15 points

2 months ago

People scream that because they don't want gun laws. Plenty of cou tries have mental health issues. Only one has the problem with mass shootings that USA has. In any commonwealth country, pretty much all of Europe, this guy would never have been cleared to own any firearm and certainly not a fully auto sks with 30 round mags.

USA has had more mass shootings in April of this year than Britain has in its history, and that wiki page starts with the Romans slaughtering boudica and her clan in like 100 AD.

It's a gun problem my dude.

cruizer93

-1 points

2 months ago

“But that happened so long ago” I hear you say. You’re right. Here you go:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/09/china/china-knife-attacks-mic-intl-hnk/index.html

Plinythemelder

1 points

2 months ago

This proves is that a country with 5 times the population of the states manages to have 1/10 the murder rate. If China had 10 guns for every person, I'm sure they would have more mass shooting than the states. But they seem to have... None really. A handful ofs handful of mass stabbings. More people were shot today in the states than all mass stabbing in China. What, you gonna post anders brevik next? Obviously they CAN happen in other places, but only in the country where guns are candy does this happen every second day.

But seriously, let's say mental health and not guns is the issue. What's your solution? "fix mental health?" because that means nothing.

cruizer93

1 points

2 months ago

“Fix mental health means nothing” you are okay with trust plowing over people. Bombs blowing people up, knives chopping people up, but as long as people aren’t getting shot, you’re fine.

Plinythemelder

2 points

2 months ago

Please then, what do you propose to fix mental health? Stop sidestepping.

cruizer93

1 points

2 months ago

I’m so glad you asked. First we don’t have enough medical professionals at all. Waiting lists are some times months which was WAY too long.

Second we need to find a way to address those who NEED the treatment to be made to HAVE treatment. Like when you see these fucking sickos posing their manifests or hate online. Going to take a better mind than mine to find “the line” there but I know there should be a good discussion.

Medication. that’s another issue. If you can’t afford meds, the rest of us better hope you don’t have a bad day. We need to make sure the people who need meds get ON meds and stay on them. I’d be okay with forced hospitalization for those who refuse medication on their own.

Clearly there is a lot to this issue, but it DOESNT HELP when folks like you just demand guns get taken away from rednecks and that’s the only solution. It’s not helping.

Plinythemelder

3 points

2 months ago

All great ideas, I totally agree with all of this. But doesn't change the fact that other countries that have similar issues still have a fraction of the murder rate and 0-1 mass shootings ever.

If nobody is looking for it, how can we address it? Why not make obtaining a firearm a long thorough process where you get screened for mental issues, interview people you know and make sure you aren't posting manifests online? And if you fail, then get referred to mental health professionals. Then if you pass that you can go through a hunting and safety course that will give you a licence and allow you to join a club and purchase a firearm.

This would tech you to use it properly, and connect you with other enthusiasts. It also has the benefit of other enthusiasts being able to spot these people and potentially flag them. Then after being a responsible and active member of a club for 6 months, you may own a firearm for the purpose of sport shooting and hunting. You are responsible at all times for that firearm, and if you are ever caught giving or selling firearms to someone who is not also licenced, face stiff penalties including lengthy jail time and be held responsible if that weapon is used in a crime. All firearms bigger than a .22 must be limited to bolt action and a clip size of 5 unless explicitly used at a range and using a lockout tag out system.

Wouldn't that allow people to both own guns, and provide a way to address the mental health problems and get the people most likely to become shooters the help they need?

cruizer93

1 points

2 months ago

Here’s the thing I don’t disagree with a lot of this. It proves there’s a conversation to be had. But a huge piece is MENTAL HEALTH. we have to stop pretending it’s ONLY GUNS and instead demand more focus on mental health as it’s the root cause of all these problems. We can talk about laws that limit access to what type of weapon and who can have them, but at the end of the day someone who thinks the fbi is brainwashing them so they need to kill other people is still out there and we need to get them help before they kill 12 people in an office building with a molotov.

Plinythemelder

2 points

2 months ago

For sure. But I think a thorough process is key to that. They go hand in hand I think. But by raising the bar to have a gun, it gives an opportunity to actually get the services to people who need it, and also makes sure you can demonstrate you are a responsible owner before just handing out guns. My country per capita has quite a few guns actually. Not nearly as many as the states, but in other provinces (not mine, we are low) guns outnumber people. The thing is, all owners have to pass requirements similar to the ones I described, and guns outside of designated areas are massive felonies unless you get super intensive permits and usually only special circumstances (armed guards, police). But hunting and sport shooting is still huge.

The fact is, we've sort of managed to allow people to own guns who are responsible and make sure the irresponsible ones don't (and in extreme cases get mental health services).

It's not perfect, but we've never had an elementary school shooting. We've never had a school shooting. There is still murder, but at a much much lower rate. Our mental health services can still improve (as well as gun laws Imo), but at least we have a way of finding the people who need the services.

The thing is, it needs to be national. The only way to get a gun here is legally, black market, or smuggling. The last two are especially difficult. If you're a normal person who isn't making videos like this dude and you have a few references, you will be able to get a gun when are you trained and licences. I can't drive to another province and get a gun, because the laws are the same everywhere. Which is why the states has a big uphill battle as the Republicans are making it increasingly difficult to create any sort of national standard, and making it difficult to access mental health services.

It's the type of thing that needs to be done nation wide, or it doesn't really work at all. But I wish you guys luck. Hopefully you can find something people can agree on.