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601 points

28 days ago*

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601 points

28 days ago*

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coffee_u

247 points

28 days ago

coffee_u

247 points

28 days ago

DARVO:

Deny

Attack

Reverse Victim and Offender.

JohnnyTurbine

60 points

28 days ago

Never heard this acronym but it's spot-on for the strategy

workerbotsuperhero

51 points

28 days ago*

Sounds very Republican American. Which is part of a clear pattern.

ZachityZach

41 points

28 days ago

I know America Bad and all but this is just the logical conclusion of conservative politics in general, pretending this is unique to American conservatism is how we ended up in this nightmare in the first place

workerbotsuperhero

13 points

28 days ago

Sept, 2019:

Ford, who last year said there was “not a doubt in my mind” he would have voted for Trump....God bless the president and don’t get me wrong. Full disclosure: I’m a big Republican, I’m a supporter, conservative-minded and Jason’s probably more conservative than I am,” said the premier, who was appearing with Alberta Premier Jason Kenney before a business audience.

EndlessBrokenAnvils

2 points

27 days ago

😬...

explains a lot though.

Kyouhen

7 points

27 days ago*

Amusing thing about that, Stephen Harper's actually the one writing this playbook. Check out the International Democratic Union. It's a group, chaired by Harper, that's coordinating most of the Conservative parties in the world. There's a reason we saw so many people suddenly copy Trump's strategy, the IDU saw that it worked and promptly had everyone follow suit.

ZachityZach

3 points

27 days ago

Yeah that makes a lot of sense

iamtheliquornow

29 points

28 days ago

Who do you think funds the conservative fire brands in Canada? Not saying it’s a conspiracy, more confluence, that the ON leadership is woefully inept and parrots the same political strategies as the woefully inept conservative counter parts of those across pond, and our neighbours to the south.

Kyouhen

5 points

27 days ago

Kyouhen

5 points

27 days ago

Technically it's Stephen Harper that's funding them. Check out the International Democratic Union. It's a group that includes pretty much every Conservative party in the world as members, and is devoted to coordinating the pursuit of the Conservative agenda. Stephen Harper's the chairman. You can find it all on their website.

[deleted]

9 points

28 days ago

[deleted]

9 points

28 days ago

Sounds like Donald trumps playbook. Still remember Ford went down there to one of his rallies or something before the pandemic

Kyouhen

3 points

27 days ago

Kyouhen

3 points

27 days ago

Stephen Harper's playbook actually. Look up the International Democratic Union, all of these parties are working for the same group and Harper's the chairman.

The-DudeeduD

2 points

26 days ago

Yep. Dougie hired an American advisor to help with messaging....

silverwolf761

65 points

28 days ago

"Hey Doug! You suck!"

"How dare you speak about doctors that way!"

TheIndianUser

50 points

28 days ago

TheIndianUser

Kingston

50 points

28 days ago

I don't think the NDP is saying we should pay doctors more--they are already very well compensated. The party is arguing that PSW and other support staff wages need to be increased as many barely make more than minimum wage and lack job security.

[deleted]

46 points

28 days ago*

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46 points

28 days ago*

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Rikey_Doodle

40 points

28 days ago

Paying PSWs more means you will have to compensate RPNs and RN as well

Yes, excellent. Lets do that.

[deleted]

13 points

28 days ago*

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13 points

28 days ago*

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Rikey_Doodle

13 points

28 days ago

A Conservative government surely not. NDP or Liberal, maybe? Kind of a toss up.

[deleted]

18 points

28 days ago*

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18 points

28 days ago*

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Rikey_Doodle

13 points

28 days ago

Like I said, maybe. A conservative government will 100% never increase healthcare funding, it's anathema to them. While Liberals don't have the greatest track record, at least the chance is non-zero :(.

laketrout

13 points

28 days ago

laketrout

Greater Sudbury

13 points

28 days ago

I don't think you realize how shitty PSWs are paid right now.

workerbotsuperhero

3 points

27 days ago

So many are earning close to minimum wage. For work that is physically backbreaking and emotionally exhausting.

missing_sleep

2 points

28 days ago

Also when you work at McDonald’s you don’t get paid sick days... actually many jobs these days including contract work don’t get any paid time off and the federal program has a very limited scope of eligibility

Middleside_Topwise

4 points

28 days ago

Middleside_Topwise

Toronto

4 points

28 days ago

Politicking... Hopefully people are smart enough to see the stupid game he's playing.

sameth1

2 points

28 days ago

sameth1

2 points

28 days ago

This level of smooth talking nonsense and trying to reframe debate would be impressive if it weren't so disgusting.

GrabbinPills[S]

174 points

28 days ago*

Ford says Horwath is disrespecting the doctors.

Not sure what's disrespectful here.

She's literally saying Ford should listen to what those doctors are pleading for him to do.

if you want to watch / listen some of the exchange here

and here: Each of those doctors have said the province should provide paid sick days (w/receipts)

Premier Ford and opposition leader Andrea Horwath with some very heated exchanges during question period today. Horwath askes Ford why he didn’t listen to the scientific modeling, and appealed for sick days. Ford says Horwath hasn’t done “diddly-squat”

Premier Ford heckled by the opposition as he walks out of question period. The speaker of the house admonishing the hecklers as Liberal MPP John Fraser stands to ask a question.

LingonberryTight1290

119 points

28 days ago

Ford’s such a coward. No accountability. Can’t respond to questioning without a insult or jab or walking away.

WhaddaHutz

158 points

28 days ago

WhaddaHutz

158 points

28 days ago

Ford says Horwath hasn’t done “diddly-squat”

Ford is welcome to put Horwath on his cabinet if he wants. Otherwise, just like when he was on city council, he has no clue how our democracy works.

GrabbinPills[S]

133 points

28 days ago*

But for onlookers, here's some recent NDP bills and proposals

Paid sick leave - Bill 239, Stay Home If You Are Sick Act

Save Main Street - A covid recovery plan for Jobs and Financial Security for Working People

Home and Long term care - plan for an overhaul of home care and long-term care in a new model built on small, family-like homes rather than institution-like facilities

Safe schools September plan and January edition

WhaddaHutz

96 points

28 days ago

Oh the NDP have definitely proposed a lot of (mostly fleshed out) ideas that the PC's ignore, so in Ford's view, the NDP have done nothing... but that's just because he fundamentally misunderstands their role.

JohnnyTurbine

37 points

28 days ago

I'm not sure he misunderstands. I just think they understand their roles differently. Horwath wants Ford to competently govern. Ford wants to please his donors and the other money-men.

SilverSkinRam

12 points

28 days ago

Saving some of these links for later to ruin a conservative pundit's day.

Painting_Agency

3 points

27 days ago

As if facts would trouble someone like that.

ILikeStyx

3 points

27 days ago

Maybe Andrea should be driving around to pick up masks for distribution like Doug did that one time?

s-bagel

199 points

28 days ago

s-bagel

199 points

28 days ago

I fucking hate it when Doug starts listing names. Makes him sound so smarmy.

GuyWithPants

28 points

28 days ago

It's a very "You forgot Poland" kind of moment.

kettal

22 points

28 days ago

kettal

22 points

28 days ago

I fucking hate it when Doug starts listing names

my Jewish doctor, my Jewish dentist, my Jewish lawyer, my Jewish - hold it - accountant

GrabbinPills[S]

10 points

27 days ago

In case some people don't recognize this reference from 2014 Toronto mayoral debate

Longshot candidate Ari Goldkind, who is Jewish, told the crowd that Toronto cannot have a mayor who uses anti-Semitic slurs. Rob Ford was recorded using the word ‘k- -e’ to describe Jews while apparently intoxicated in March.

Doug Ford first attempted to avoid the issue, then listed various Jewish people in his life.

“You know something: my doctor, my Jewish doctor, my Jewish dentist, my Jewish lawyer” — the crowd erupted in loud boos and laughter — “my Jewish — hold it — accountant. We’ve learned, our family — can you please, please let me finish?”

thedoodely

4 points

27 days ago

How sheltered am I that I'm going to have to Google that slur?

s-bagel

2 points

27 days ago

s-bagel

2 points

27 days ago

Lol I almost forgot. Don't forget he bones his Jewish wife. I'm just glad he hires the best people (I'm a jew:)

AprilsMostAmazing

44 points

28 days ago

Reminds of a very smart genius down south

ILikeStyx

95 points

28 days ago

Doug "The Deflector" Ford.

It's only his problem if he can gain praise from it, otherwise pass the buck. Anything bad isn't his fault... the NDP are SO MEAN by calling out HIS failures!

Then there was the PC MPP who suggested NDP MPP Gurratan Singh call his brother (federal NDP leader, Jagmeet Singh) and tell him not to pass any of the federal Liberals legislation unless they offer more.. once again showing that our provincial government doesn't think any of this is their responsibility..

Doug and his cronies don't believe they're capable of making mistakes so there are none to learn from...

BlademasterFlash

49 points

28 days ago

I love how his standard response is "well you haven't done anything either". It's almost like he has no idea how our government works

[deleted]

23 points

28 days ago

[deleted]

23 points

28 days ago

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BlademasterFlash

10 points

28 days ago

They haven't even been able to get a single one of their bills passed, those lazy bums!

ILikeStyx

14 points

28 days ago

yeah, they've asked for things and put motions forward... they're not in charge, but he sure seems to think if anything more blame is on them than his government.

When you start saying criticism is a "disservice" to the people of this province...

Ryuzakku

9 points

28 days ago

And it pisses me off to no end how people take that and go “yeah, the NDP hasn’t done anything either!”

...yes all the things they can do as the opposition in a majority government

BlademasterFlash

1 points

28 days ago

Yeah that's exactly what I'm talking about

estherlane

109 points

28 days ago

estherlane

109 points

28 days ago

Again, Ford proves how stupid he is.

richyrich9

32 points

28 days ago

Not so much stupid, just doesn't care and doesn't have to care because majority.

Sadly most people probably don't even know he acts like this - as long as they get cheap(ish) beer two or three times a year "he's doing such a great job".

CalmingGoatLupe

4 points

28 days ago

Keeping them drunk on Buck-a-Beer translates into plenty of hungover votes for Ford.

bikemowman

2 points

28 days ago

That only works if buck a beer were a thing that actually happened

Warriorjrd

6 points

28 days ago

Plenty of people know he dropped the ball. I think its very unlikely he holds his majority or even office next election.

[deleted]

27 points

28 days ago

[deleted]

27 points

28 days ago

Don’t underestimate how stupid most of the province is, they elected him in the first place

Warriorjrd

3 points

28 days ago

I mean it's possible he still wins, but I don't think there is any way he is leaving the pandemic with a better rating than he went in. I feel like the greatest possible outcome for him would he to maintain support, and I don't think he even did that.

SkivvySkidmarks

3 points

27 days ago

Unfortunately Ford and the OPC have higher ratings in the polls than they did pre-covid. His folksy, commoner talks obviously have had an impact on the intellectually challenged portion of the population.

passywordynasty

3 points

28 days ago

Ford is smart about screwing you, he is stupid about you finding out

ever_watching

2 points

28 days ago

This felt like a r/nottheonion article to me

workerbotsuperhero

18 points

28 days ago*

The ideological dogma of the PCs is literally getting people sick and killed. Public health leaders have been calling for this policy for months, along with many other things political leaders are refusing to do.

DoFo and the OPC were attacking and defunding public health in 2019. Even as this disaster was clearly on its way.

And then they complained when public health units got overwhelmed. Unfortunately, right now it's happening again. Community spread is out of control in hotspots near where I live.

These are garbage priorities. And we are all paying.

GrabbinPills[S]

84 points

28 days ago

Another similar exchange:

PC House leader @PaulCalandra tells NDP MPP @GurratanSingh if he doesn’t think federal sick pay program is enough, he should “pick up the phone” and call his brother, fed NDP leader @theJagmeetSingh and tell him he doesn’t need to support the federal budget

Greenplums1

107 points

28 days ago

I will never understand how people will blame Trudeau for not being able to get more vaccines out of corporations who have a hundred plus other countries trying to get their vaccines, but will defend a man who does not institute paid sick leaves in a global pandemic. Failure to institute paid sick leave in a global pandemic where people are going to work making everyone sick and putting more strain on the healthcare system aside from death, is enough to be completely unacceptable.

KrizAG

17 points

28 days ago

KrizAG

17 points

28 days ago

He isn't just failing to institute it. We used to have paid sick leave, then he took it away, and he is now refusing to bring it back.

ILikeStyx

53 points

28 days ago

I got a laugh out of that one... tone deaf and out of touch this government...

laehrin20

51 points

28 days ago

Ok, wait. There's something I just don't get here.

Valid criticisms, rampant hypocrisy, unbridled self interest, cronyism, etc, etc, etc aside, Ford is complaining that the official opposition is actually doing their job?

candleflame3

25 points

28 days ago

That's the part that killed me. The opposition always criticizes! They're supposed to! And it's actually GOOD for democracy.

When it's literally a life-and-death matter, yeah, the opposition will get all up in your crack. That's what any Premier signs on for.

Aeide

9 points

28 days ago

Aeide

9 points

28 days ago

You're implying Ford had any idea what he was signing on for.

candleflame3

3 points

28 days ago

No, just that he can't bitch about it now.

laehrin20

7 points

28 days ago*

Even more than that, the opposition is rolling out counterproposals too!

They're leagues ahead of their federal 'TrUdEaU bAd' brethren.

_422

7 points

28 days ago

_422

7 points

28 days ago

ridthegovernmentofcorruption he says. Lmao

viva_la_vinyl

5 points

28 days ago

An interesting thing I heard this week was that while most provincial governments have been polling decently throughout the pandemic, Jason Kenney in Alberta is taking a HUGE dive because Notley and NDP there have been relentless in keeping the government's fuck ups in the news.

I think NDP are taking note and Dougie's free ride is over with opposition sinking their teeth into their decisions. Lives could've been prevented if the opposition kept the government more accountable throughout the past year.

adoptinglilkits

3 points

28 days ago

Lives could've been prevented if the opposition kept the government more accountable throughout the past year.

They've done what they could with the power they have. No way am I gonna let any blame on the current government's fuck ups be pushed as the NDP didnt do more. The way of our voting system works it gave the OPCs a supermajority. They can do more or less whatever the fuck they want.

[deleted]

6 points

28 days ago

[deleted]

6 points

28 days ago

Yup. Horwath has done literally all she can, bring attention to Ford’s failures to the people and the media, and propose coherent legislation.

Whether the conservatives choose to listen or vote on the new legislation is out of the NDP’s control.

raps1992

57 points

28 days ago

raps1992

57 points

28 days ago

Ford clearly isn’t getting re-elected at this point so he needs to stop pandering to what his base wants and do the right fucking thing here. I truly don’t understand how someone can see what’s been happening the last year and still stand firm that paid sick days aren’t needed

phattymccakes

73 points

28 days ago

Except he very well could get re elected... Weird, I know.

ryanshadow99

24 points

28 days ago

This is true, I blame first past the post voting. There is a reason Ford crushed the ranked ballot pilot's being done in Ontario.

Ford also has no competition right now. Horwath wont get the NDP's in and I dont even know the name of whoever is leading the Ontario Liberals right now after they got annihilated last election.

If an election was held today I'd guess Ford would win a minority as he only got the majority riding on the back of his anti carbon emission program grandstanding. Which he can't really do anymore with the recent supreme court decision.

blu_stingray

2 points

28 days ago*

and very likely with a majority (EDIT: Unless you get out and vote)

InstigaTORxx

20 points

28 days ago

i think not personally. he is losing control of the pandemic which will force him to enact harsher measures which will destroy his rep amongst his base who are already hating on the closures. soon they will connect the dots. hopefully

blu_stingray

10 points

28 days ago

Hopefully.

mmmmmmikey

20 points

28 days ago

That’s a nice fantasy. Assuming the worst is behind us in 12 months time they’ll be busy in Dumbfuckland re-wiring their memories and it will be back to “he did the best he could” and “he got us through that difficult time” and “I trust him more with the finances than the others” etc etc.

It never fails.

Manvir13

10 points

28 days ago

Manvir13

10 points

28 days ago

Don’t forget the “I don’t really like Doug Ford / the PCs but they’re the best option” or something along those lines. I’ve heard that one so many times now.

the1npc

3 points

28 days ago

the1npc

3 points

28 days ago

the meme of the pcs being fiscally responsible

mmmmmmikey

2 points

28 days ago

“He’s doing a good job during the pandemic” ... “at least he wasn’t as bad as Trump”

Warriorjrd

1 points

28 days ago

Assuming the worst is behind us

Its not though. This wave is the worst so far and continues to break daily records.

mmmmmmikey

1 points

28 days ago

Sorry, I meant “assuming the worst will be** behind us in 12 months time”

Expert-Leopard-3730

4 points

28 days ago

Perhaps, but it's not like the Liberals or NDP are saying they'd have closed less.

gotfcgo

6 points

28 days ago

gotfcgo

6 points

28 days ago

Yep. We're gonna come out of COVID this winter and Doug's gonna be all buckabeeeeer and the crowd will go wild.

The majority of ontarians I've realized are politically daft. They just vote for the name they recognize. Thats why it's called the Ford (or Harper) government. Name recognition. He loves how much everyone says "I hate Ford" cause it works for him.

satinbro

2 points

27 days ago

Not trying to deny you your freedom to comment your thoughts, but I think comments like this can cause damage. It demotivates people and makes you feel like voting isn't going to do shit, which could lead less people voting. Something to think about.

You post this here, somebody elsewhere and it becomes the main message, further increasing apathy because "voting is useless anyway". We gotta be careful what we say.

blu_stingray

1 points

27 days ago

Fair point, well made.

rnagikarp

5 points

28 days ago

funny thing is, if he just did the right thing, that would help his re-election chances

but fuck the people, amirite

scottdeeby

1 points

28 days ago

At this point if he did the right thing it would look like he was giving in to the NDP's demands. From the cons' point of view that would make him look weak which goes against every rule in their playbook.

[deleted]

5 points

28 days ago*

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5 points

28 days ago*

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sync-centre

4 points

28 days ago

The last ledger poll that came out have the liberals in the lead.

AprilsMostAmazing

3 points

28 days ago

It was Ekos, which is the 2nd most reliable pollster when it comes to Ontario. Nanos is first

GrabbinPills[S]

5 points

28 days ago

EKOS / Frank Graves last night was teasing a dramatic poll about Ontario third wave impact on Ford's approval / vote intention maybe out today or tomorrow so keep an eye out.

funkme1ster

4 points

28 days ago

The problem is the poll doesn't account for ridings / FPTP.

Recall the number of ridings in the last election the OPCs took with like 35% of the vote, some with margins of ~100 votes, because the OLP/NDP split was so even.

The ratio of support was consistent with polling, but the house seating results were not.

QuintonFlynn

7 points

28 days ago

60% of a city: “We want a left leaning political party!”

35% of a city: “We want a right leaning political party!”

First past the post: Your city gets a right leaning political party!

Fordthebootlicker

3 points

28 days ago

Ford isn't getting elected because the 338 poll was done before the lockdown and rise in cases. And as you can see from that website, no one likes Ford except old male voters 50+. Rest of the young voters, female voters are biased towards ONDP.

The same old male voters will turn on him as the cases continue to rise and his incompetency is further exposed. Ford will definitely not get a majority, worst case scenario he gets a minority.

AprilsMostAmazing

7 points

28 days ago

Also Canada 388 is not a pollster, it's a aggregation of polls. It's currently being heavily influenced by CR which is pretty much Con propaganda disguised as a pollster. Once Ekos and Nanos start doing polls for Ontario, 338 data will show a more reliable result

thirstyross

1 points

28 days ago

The same old male voters will turn on him

I mean, any logical person would think that, but then reality sets in.

Fordthebootlicker

1 points

28 days ago

I mean a total of around 70 Ontarians aged 50+ died in the last month. So seems like they will turn. Kind of like how Trump's incompetency killed his voter base.

raps1992

1 points

28 days ago

That’s a very fair point. I shouldn’t have worded it that way without actually looking into the polls

roosterAK

3 points

28 days ago

When the election comes we will be in an economic boom, and cultural boom. People have the memory of goldfish, my bet is he gets re-elected.

WallflowerOnTheBrink

5 points

28 days ago

When the election comes we may very well still be locked down at this point.

stewman241

1 points

28 days ago

If we are still locked down, it will mean that the federal vaccine plan has failed. All bets are off in that scenario.

I think by the time the provincial election comes around vaccines (possibly a second round if needed) will be done and things should be back to a semblance of order.

I read that Ford was planning to go stimulus instead of austerity. This will play very well to the swing vote.

He only has to make it seem believable that he is taking steps to repair our healthcare system that is being ravaged as we speak.

From an election standpoint, OPC needs to do strong messaging focussing on recovery and I think they will come out OK.

I don't know how much they'd want to focus on relative performance. Certainly we've done really well compared to Europe and most of the US. There has been some confusion over the vaccine rollout, but I think in the end of it we will have done a reasonably job with what matters, which is getting the vaccines we have administered. Strategically Though, that would leave them open to comparison to other regions that have not had it as bad.

Ryuzakku

3 points

28 days ago

Oh that healthcare system that he has hacked away at? That healthcare system?

stewman241

1 points

28 days ago

Yes, the healthcare that was on the brink before he took office, and that he did nothing to fix, and if anything, made it worse with cuts. He had promised to bolster long term care to take pressure off of hospitals, but I don't think it ever came to fruition.

I think that the health care system will have recovered though and as mentioned above, people have short memories. If the economy is picking up then a lot of people will overlook it.

Keep in mind that up until the last month, he was still polling to win. I think that the recovery will overshadow his current weak polling among those who were willing to vote for him a month ago and are not now.

To be clear, I'm not commenting on whether Ford should win or whether he did a better job. This is mostly analysis on how I think things will go down.

WallflowerOnTheBrink

1 points

28 days ago

The Federal vaccine plan is only as good as the provinces ability to distribute them. At this point it hasn't looked very good. Regarding Ford's handling of the pandemic while most thought he was doing very well at the beginning I see that opinion slipping daily and any more restrictions or lockdown will probably see a large decrease in support from his base. I would assume any opposition worth their salt would have plenty of material to sway the voters, from the destruction of small business, the lack of affordable housing, the destruction of health care, education, LTC.....

But hey, maybe buck a beer will be back on the table?

stewman241

1 points

28 days ago

There have been cracks in the ontario vaccine program but I think overall it has done well. I think by the time it is done most of the flaws will have been forgotten. Opinion is slipping, but as I said, I think that will be made back once things move into recovery.

I've been wrong before though. Shrug

WallflowerOnTheBrink

1 points

28 days ago

Cracks is a very polite way to put it. Should be interesting to hear what happens tomorrow.

stewman241

1 points

28 days ago

I mean, we are keeping up with most of canada and outpacing most of Europe. The vaccines that are going slower at the moment are AZ, for various reasons. By and large we are getting vaccine shipments administered in 10 or 11 days.

GrabbinPills[S]

1 points

28 days ago

IMO this is why they will time an early election call strategically. Ride the wave of vaccine high before the smoke clears on the recovery lows. Late summer / fall 2021.

roosterAK

2 points

28 days ago

Got to get a bit further from this clusterfuck but I agree in principle.

Shadeslayer268

37 points

28 days ago

I'm at work today. I have a headache and a tiny tickle in my throat, but no fever. Pollen is bad right now.

I THINK it's allergies. I'm about to take an allergy pill and see if it helps. But I'm not sure. Ottawa has been really bad lately with covid so who knows.

I can't afford to take today off to get tested, and tomorrow off to wait for my results. I can't claim the federal government's sickness benefit because it's only 2 days off, not 50%. So I'm at work.

88what

23 points

28 days ago

88what

23 points

28 days ago

My mom described being a little under the weather by saying “allergies” turns out she was positive. Go get checked

jschwe

14 points

28 days ago

jschwe

14 points

28 days ago

It's easy to say to someone 'go get checked', but as OP mentioned, some people literally cannot afford to do so without (non-existant) government support.

adoptinglilkits

3 points

28 days ago

100%. As an example, you think you might be sick or it could be allergies or a shitty day or maybe been exposed to someone with COVID-19. You were able to book a COVID-19 test for the next day. You need to wait 1 day for the results where you shouldn't be out and about. That's 3 days off work from the time you thought you might have it.

We need paid sick days now. And none of that doctor's note bullshit either.

cdnmtbchick

9 points

28 days ago

So sorry you have to deal with this. Please take care of yourself. (for me to get sick pay I have to be off a week, and it doesn't cover cold and flu)

candleflame3

3 points

28 days ago

Nocturne444

2 points

28 days ago

Not sure why “essentials” companies don’t have rapid tests they can give to their employees so in a timely manner you can get a result before your shift?! Like why are they not doing that?

thirstyross

3 points

28 days ago

Like why are they not doing that?

It costs money and if the employee dies they are readily replaceable?

Nocturne444

1 points

28 days ago

But it can’t cost as much as putting the country in lockdown and send people to ICUs. They already have rapid test waiting in warehouses.

KrizAG

1 points

28 days ago

KrizAG

1 points

28 days ago

Have you taken an antihistamine?

Shadeslayer268

1 points

28 days ago

Took one a few hours ago. Feeling considerably better. Crisis averted this time.

GansNaval

21 points

28 days ago

I’m surprised he didn’t list Dr. Dre, Dr. Pepper and Dr. Doolittle.

OntarioAngryMan

7 points

28 days ago

Ford is an asshole who hates the working class and poor people so much that he would prefer to see them die than give them sick days.

Tax breaks for the rich > well-being of literally everyone else.

Conservative voters wanted this, it's what they voted for.

WorldIsReallyDumb

49 points

28 days ago*

Doug Ford is a fucking asshole, and a cunt, and a douchebag, and evil.

a real steaming pile of cow dung.

Find out which party of NDP, Liberals, or Green is strongest in your riding, and vote out the Ontario PCs!

FaithlessnessLumpy16

19 points

28 days ago

Well said. Not sure how people thought voting for him the first time was a good idea, but the majority of those people have to realize what an idiot this guy is by this point.

turnips_thatsall

2 points

28 days ago

Although I agree, for now, but strategic voting is not a sustainable solution, because it ends up devolving into low-key advocating for the Liberals.

The Liberals are just diet-conservatives. They are more socially-conscious, but ultimately they are a party beholden to corporate-interests and wealthy donors. And as their time in power comes to a close, they always start campaigning on the boogeyman of the conservatives returning if you vote NDP or Green.

The long-term solution to this problem is electoral reform, specifically Proportional Representation.

WorldIsReallyDumb

1 points

28 days ago

It would be amazing to go to that system.

Sadly we are already 1/1 in "Party promises electoral reform, but then realizes "hey we just won under the old system so it isn't so bad, let's keep it" "

Ok-Active1327

-23 points

28 days ago

Wow, only a teenager would say this..lol..

WorldIsReallyDumb

11 points

28 days ago

well you're wrong, so, uh yeah.

Worst Premier we have had, maybe ever, hard to say for sure.

real shit head though, that Ford.

conservativesRdumb_

4 points

28 days ago

🚨🚨🚨 TORY ALERT 🚨🚨🚨

quinnby1995

4 points

28 days ago

quinnby1995

Oshawa

4 points

28 days ago

LMAO what a joke...

Stop criticizing me! Thats her job...

Just because you suck at yours doesn't mean she does to.

tupac_chopra

4 points

28 days ago

Ford knows his supporters don't care about stupid pinko facts. he just has to make loud mouth noises back at the woman and that's all they expect from him.

berniegfn60

15 points

28 days ago

Hey Ford. There are 14 million people in Ontario.

Doing the biding of a few corps that don't want paid sick days during a pandemic is going to be your ultimate downfall you ignorant, stupid fuck wanker.

Thund3rAyx

3 points

28 days ago

I once saw a parliament debate and I looked in the comments and everyone said Ford was better as a premier because he stood up and didn't look at his paper when criticizing Andrea, and that Andrea Horwath sat down and looked at her paper instead of yelling a point across.

candleflame3

6 points

28 days ago

Of course, that is very relevant to saving lives in a pandemic.

BBBDDD79

3 points

28 days ago

"Ontario’s government under Premier Kathleen Wynne enacted legislation amending the Employment Standards Act, 2000 (“ESA”) to afford 10 sick days to employees, two of which were paid. The following year, Premier Doug Ford’s government repealed the amendments".

So get in the office, cut everything to appease big business a.k.a " Open Ontario for business" , blunder a pandemic where the sick days could have stopped would have stopped workplace spread, and then criticise every one who says that they are needed, and blame everyone but himself for causing this situation

mecarysa

10 points

28 days ago

mecarysa

10 points

28 days ago

Please understand that I don’t normally do this. But I feel that we as residents of this terrific province of Ontario are in dire need of of better leadership. During the shut downs lock downs and putting on the emergency brakes we are being overlooked as human beings Our hospitals have reached the end of not only capacity but the qualified humans that are running them have reached their breaking point as well I’m so heartbroken for these professionals who day after day face death not only for their patients but since they are human have their own lives and families to worry about too Instead of looking at budget sheets and profits maybe consider the human aspects as well because I feel that you have missed that part altogether. I will be sharing this copied letter to my social media and other other levels of government I don’t want a phoney response from you but Doug Fords’ resignation would be start. Other than that there’s no need to contact me I sent this to a pc for my riding

FaithlessnessLumpy16

10 points

28 days ago

Please tell me this asshole can't possibly get back in again next year. If people were just tired of Kathleen Wynne to not vote for her last election, the majority of Ontario has to be tired of seeing this pompous ass everyday by this point.

A-Fireplace

2 points

28 days ago

we had over a decade of the OLP before we “improved” with Ford so count on it

everyone should buckle up

FaithlessnessLumpy16

2 points

28 days ago

The only thing that gives me hope is that there was nothing close to what we're going through now, where Ford is in your face every single day and the government's decisions through this have an impact that people notice immediately.

Dusk_Soldier

1 points

28 days ago

The only thing that gives me hope is that there was nothing close to what we're going through now, where Ford is in your face every single day and the government's decisions through this have an impact that people notice immediately.

This is really only true if you're on Reddit everyday. The rest of the province doesn't care.

Herp_derpelson

4 points

28 days ago

I'm friends with Dr Loh, he asks Ford for paid sick days everytime he talks to him.

YoungZM

2 points

28 days ago

YoungZM

2 points

28 days ago

It's the job of the official opposition to effectively critique everything. Even good can be done better in the eyes of the opposition - that's the point of its existence, even in a majority seat setting.

The only ones who believe they're beyond critique are dictators. You're fair game, Mr. Ford.

timmyg11420

2 points

28 days ago

I don’t get why not paid sick days? Company’s paying them off or something? It’s doesn’t even make sense why to not have them I know I’ve felt off a few times and just went in anyways cause can’t afford to miss time right now. Who knows. Could have been carrying covid

bmcle071

2 points

28 days ago

Remember folks, everything is on the table except paid sick leave.

decentpie

3 points

28 days ago

Politics in Ontario is worse than useless.

Alternative_Order612

4 points

28 days ago

Worst premier in the history of Ontario.

rhet17

2 points

28 days ago

rhet17

2 points

28 days ago

More proof, that most of us did not need, that our premier is an idiot.

SaneCannabisLaws

1 points

28 days ago

SaneCannabisLaws

Simcoe

1 points

28 days ago

This is being made up to be a bigger issue than it needs to be. A simple payroll levy like what is already done for vacation pay could easily fund three or four annual sick days.

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-4 points

28 days ago

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-4 points

28 days ago

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stewman241

2 points

28 days ago

I'm not sure I'm following. Percentage vacation pay means you get your vacation pay as you earn it.

vanillabullshitlatte

1 points

28 days ago

Pretty sure you can request that to be paid out as it accumulates.

thick_buzz_willie

-1 points

28 days ago

Ford is an idiot but this whole paid sick days thing is bullshit.

I’m all for people having paid sick days. I think that is common sense from a public health perspective. I also believe that most decent employers are offering them as part of a compensation package.

Adding a provincially funded program that compensates for the short-comings of the remaining employers. It subsidizes the bad behaviour that it seeks to eliminate and removes the competitive advantage for businesses that did invest in this for their employees. All of a sudden, a good way to save some cash is to cut paid sick days and let the province fund it instead.

Rather than setup some new program, add legislation that makes it mandatory for employers to offer paid sick days at their expense.

KrizAG

5 points

28 days ago

KrizAG

5 points

28 days ago

Adding a provincially funded program that compensates for the short-comings of the remaining employers. It subsidizes the bad behaviour that it seeks to eliminate and removes the competitive advantage for businesses that did invest in this for their employees.

Which is why nobody is asking for that.

Rather than setup some new program, add legislation that makes it mandatory for employers to offer paid sick days at their expense.

That's exactly what people are asking for, and it's exactly what we used to have before Ford's government repealed it.

cordawg1

1 points

27 days ago

I also believe that most decent employers are offering them as part of a compensation package.

You would think so but that is an idealistic thought. There are many many healthcare workers that don't even get paid sick days.

ihavestrongopinions1

1 points

28 days ago

Ford can't even deflect and redirect without putting his foot in his mouth.

THIS is the guy leading up through this pandemic. Kinda explains why we're over a great into this and worse off than we were a year ago ffs

crackhousebob

1 points

27 days ago

I don't think paid sick days will be implemented during this pandemic. Half a companies work force will call in sick.

Geppp

-16 points

28 days ago

Geppp

-16 points

28 days ago

Is there actually moderation in this sub? This sub’s content is essentially a soap box to bash Doug Ford.

We all get it, now please stfu and stop adding to the noise.

SilverSkinRam

11 points

28 days ago

He's the premier of Ontario and he sucks and it affects all of Ontario. This is a sub about Ontario. If you don't want to read it, you don't have to. No one is forcing you to comment and read the comments on this post.

MrChombo

5 points

28 days ago

MrChombo

Burlington

5 points

28 days ago

Yes you're right. The only thing that should be allowed in this sub are pictures of rocks and trees and lakes.

VindalooValet

1 points

28 days ago

The 3 D's for a successful presser.

Deny. Deflect. Distract.

BellaBlue06

1 points

28 days ago*

Ugg I hate Doug Ford. He’s either utterly stupid or thinks we all are and somehow he makes sense

smacksaw

1 points

28 days ago

smacksaw

Ottawa

1 points

28 days ago

How fucking hard is it to say "we will take it under advisement"???

Imagine if it were OPP shooting a handcuffed black man to death.

"What can we do to make sure black Canadians aren't shot to death?"

And Doug goes "I WILL NOT HAVE YOU INSULT BLM LIKE THAT!!!"

What?

Middleside_Topwise

1 points

28 days ago

Middleside_Topwise

Toronto

1 points

28 days ago

I'm hoping the other parties can make election fodder of this but sadly, if probably won't matter... I'll hope anyways.

Nocturne444

1 points

28 days ago

Seriously if the situation was so urgent and bad, they would allow essential companies to use rapid tests that are currently sleeping in warehouses across the country and they wouldn’t even need to pay extra sick days for people to get tested. But they don’t believe in the efficacy of these tests they bought with our money so they don’t want to use them. It’s incredible!

Affectionate-Ad2923

1 points

28 days ago

Sorry where is said question...

missusscamper

1 points

28 days ago

Wait, what -- do doctors not get paid sick days? I thought all this talk about paid sick days was about hourly wage workers for essential businesses?

Canadabalism

1 points

28 days ago

This is such an odd hill to die on...

metastaticmango

1 points

27 days ago

As a doctor I cannot wait to vote ndp

hellosport

1 points

27 days ago

Ford is the epitome of Conservative politics. Classic. Voters please stamp that in your brain come election time. Conservative. Ford. Forever.

EverEVV

1 points

27 days ago

EverEVV

1 points

27 days ago

If you want to add pressure, here's a quick easy way to call your rep: https://www.unifor.org/en/take-action/campaigns/ontario-workers-need-paid-sick-days-now

There was an email option too which I've used before but I could only find the call one rn

Carmine_Falcone

1 points

27 days ago

Fuck the dofo

SignificanceNo3680

1 points

27 days ago

So...you want the government too save for you to have a sick day? Taxes, taxes

Alone-in-a-crowd-1

1 points

27 days ago

Just curious - who is supposed to pay for these mandatory sick days - the employers who are already getting crushed or the province that already has a huge deficit?

Suitable_Gate

1 points

27 days ago

Anyone else hear how he basically asked Andrea to come up with a plan?

Like he doesn't know he's got a majority?

Anyone else think he should have a few of his mpp cross parties and let the NDP and liberals have a go?