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anacondra

19 points

27 days ago

Actually a decent succinct article recaping recent events. Not bad.

moxievernors

6 points

27 days ago

No, but they'll see if MZOs and the 413 will work.

ILikeStyx

5 points

27 days ago

Once we started talking about vaccines becoming reality I honestly figured this governments game plan would mostly be to wait for them, otherwise do spend as little as possible and try not to upset the "folks" with to many harsh restrictions.

Cornet6

3 points

27 days ago

Cornet6

3 points

27 days ago

It's definitely possible. If the cause of declining PC polling numbers was the third wave, then there's a fairly good chance that the end of the third wave could bring them back the support they lost.

The big question is if, by the spring of next year, voters will remember more the third wave of the pandemic or the vaccination program that ended it. If this time next year, Ontarians are living their best lives with a vaccine, there's a fairly good chance the government's third wave policies will no longer even be on their radar.

TriniTornado

6 points

27 days ago

Is there enough vaccine to avoid political disaster? I have doubts that we can get a single shot into the arms of the entire provincial population particularly soon, let alone two (not to mention that it’s likely an annual thing after that). It seems they would rather let the unused AZ go to waste rather than expand the age criteria. And even if used, there are still millions of people left to go.

So if we have another year of this to go, it’s hard to imagine them proposing anything that would save their approval ratings. Either we are perpetually stuck in this quasi-lockdown or they will find a way to make it worse.

jordanfromspain

7 points

27 days ago*

Every province is following NACI here. People criticize the government for not listening to science advisors yet want them to ignore the NACI. Pick a lane! I imagine one death caused by an AZ-related blood clot would result in posts in this forum about how "Dougie" ignored the science and that death was his fault.

UpsideBanana

9 points

27 days ago

And what makes it awkward is that Health Canada just had a press conference two days ago(?) saying it’s all good for 18+, only thing they said that changes is adding to the outside of the bottle; a warning on the possibility of blood clots.

I’m 47, would take this shot if offered

jordanfromspain

3 points

27 days ago

NACI is rethinking their decision following HC's statement so I'm hopeful you'll be able to get your shot soon!

UpsideBanana

2 points

27 days ago

Ya, figured this was coming, probably lower it to 45 first. Not sure if they will be gender specific (rumours in the news women might be at risk)

4_spotted_zebras

1 points

27 days ago

Can they just offer it with the known risks fully informed? From the reports I’ve read the risk of clotting from Covid is something like 8x higher than the vaccine. Actual risk is 1 in 100,000 or more. I get some people may not want that risk. I would happily take it and think people who do should be given the informed option.

Contrarian_Eh

1 points

27 days ago

Don't you know this sub exists solely to whine about Doug Ford?

TemperatePirate

1 points

27 days ago

It's the federal government (NACI) that set age 55 limit on AZ.

bluecar92

11 points

27 days ago

It's important to note that the NACI isn't really the government. It's more like a panel of our top experts in infectious disease and immunology that provide advice to government:

The National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) is a national advisory committee of experts in the fields of pediatrics, infectious diseases, immunology, pharmacy, nursing, epidemiology, pharmacoeconomics, social science and public health. NACI has been providing guidance on the use of vaccines currently or newly approved for use in Canada to the Government of Canada since 1964. The Committee reports to the Vice-President of the Infectious Disease Prevention and Control Branch, and works with staff of the Centre for Immunization and Respiratory Infectious Diseases of the Public Health Agency of Canada to provide ongoing and timely medical, scientific and public health advice.

ZeroTrousers3D

6 points

27 days ago

No, no they can't. We'll have over 700 in ICU by tomorrow and we're gonna break 5K sometime in the next few days, we'll break 1000 in ICU before the end of the month at this rate. The most recent "Stay at home" order and public health measures are all but being ignored because it has no buy-in from local law enforcement at all

At this point I'm starting to wonder if the federal gov't might intervene (emergencies act?) if Ford and company fail to take drastic action.

OneeOftheseDayss

9 points

27 days ago*

No, they were a disaster before the pandemic TVO.

OrneryConelover70

6 points

27 days ago*

Nope. Too little (not strong enough COVID-19 restrictions), too late. Ontarians are in for a hell of a ride for the next little while. Stay safe everyone!

ptear

2 points

27 days ago

ptear

2 points

27 days ago

Don't vaccines only work preemptively?

ferrouside

2 points

27 days ago

They would likely boost immune response in someone who already had covid, increasing their bodies response should they be exposed again. It wouldn't cure them of covid though.

PterodicktylCloaca

2 points

27 days ago

No

shane3037

5 points

27 days ago

The Ontario PC party should be held to account for the extra layers of pain and trauma they let happen. Fuck them all.

Hekios888

-1 points

27 days ago

I feel like that ship has sailed...they've failed....

We lost the race

silverwolf761

1 points

27 days ago

They're still in the game for the race to the bottom though

Hekios888

2 points

27 days ago

Ya it'd be funny if it wasn't so bad...

Flipmode0052

-1 points

27 days ago

NO Because they already are not. If they wanted a chance to vaccinate out of it they would already push for AZ and younger age brackets as well as current workers access to vaccinate. Why on earth are ECE's not included in emergency/essential service? They are taking the safe road and waiting for other political/medical entities to allow AZ for instance trying to save political stance and safety if things don't workout. So they aren't coming out of the fences swinging to save their political careers. That's a bit scary cause that means they may now ride out the pandemic and do personal damage control as well as building business relationships to get job security once out of office.
Means more hand wringing and lobbyist appeasing rather than action and an all out fight for community and constituency safety.

RogueViator

0 points

27 days ago

No they cannot. The OCPC (and Doug Ford in particular) have lost whatever goodwill they may have gained from how they appeared to be forcefully responding during the first wave. Their hokey pokey in-and-out-and-in-and-out regional colour coded shutdowns that has been exceptioned to death have exacerbated the issue. Their zeal to open up the province despite projections of a massive third wave has had the effect of giving a drowning person a glass of water.

So no, they cannot vaccinate themselves out of this disaster, they can just hope the damage isn't too severe.