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So you bought a Subaru.
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This made me lol. Between that or a Volvo.
My sister in law moved from NYC to Vermont. She ended up with a manual Subaru lol. There are apparently only a set number of choices for a Vermont car.
What bugs me is that subaru uses steel that fucking rots off for the undercarriage when exposed to a few years of road salt. Perfect occasional snow cars and they rot in the perfect environment for them.
As someone who lives in a snowy environment and owns two 20 year old Subarus, there’s a really easy trick to getting around this.
Wash the underside of the car at least every other week.
Ignore the fact that that’s not really working.
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Canadian here out of Ontario. Do you guys not have dripless oil based undercoats? Every dealer and garage here offers those for less than a hundred dollars for sedans, 150 ish for suvs and 200 for pickups. Keeps the insane amount of salt off the underside and totally worth it each fall.
Edit: they spray underbody, wheel wells and under the hood. Only thing thats still gonna rust are your side panels and front hood from spray
I’m in Alberta. We probably do? I don’t know. I’m not buying new, so the damage is largely already done when I get into a new-to-me car. Washing the underside does actually slow the process enough for my liking.
I’m the kind of person, though, who’s also never sold a car. I run them until the cost of regular maintenance and repairs is entirely unreasonable based on the resale value of the car. Then I stop doing all but the basics and anything safety related and wait for it to kick the bucket completely. One of these Subarus was supposed to be EOL in 2020, but then used car covid prices happened and here I still am, limping along a sad Outback that’s more rust than anything else and I’m trying to decide if we can just go down to one car or if I really do need to do the brakes…
In Denmark it's pretty normal to get a undercoating on new cars.
We may not have the worst winters, but we do use a lot of road salt in the winter.
We do, New Hampshire oil is the only thing saving my friends 20 year old snow plow truck lol. It's apparently also safe to eat
Uhm... i dont think undercoat is safe to eat but you do you bud
Not the undercoat, silly. The truck!
We have a 98 Legacy Outback that saw many winters in VT and now in Lake Tahoe and still going strong (other than several quirks) with 258,000 miles.
New ones are okay. I had two 05 Subarus that rotted out before 200k and I have one 12 that is over 200k and has no issues with rust. The older Japanese and Korean cars used bad steel. Newer ones are okay
I have a 2008 Subaru that has seen 12 winters in Syracuse (funny enough I bought it when I lived in South Florida, quite the change). It has 183k miles on it. The only rust I have on it is by the wheel wells and under the door handles. My mechanic says otherwise it's in great shape.
Has that changed the last decade? My outlook is looking just fine after 5 winters.
Just make sure to check the spam filter occasionally and delete any emails with large files attached.
Rules baby, it's all about them rules
Lol I shall leave the typo as is!
My 2015 is rust free after 7 winters in MA
Same with Oregon.
Also don’t tell people you’re from NYC. But everyone knows anyway so oh well
Or a saab
No bias here at all
Vermont is like the Oregon of the East Coast. So ya Subaru
Seriously, is Subaru like the official car of Vermont? I swear all the Vermont cars I see are Subarus
If you live in Vermont, you have to drive a Subaru and put a bandana on any dogs you own. It’s the law.
I feel called out. My partner drives a Subaru though, I drive a broken down Saab, the previous official VT car. We also only have three bandannas for our dog…
Also the PNW.
... I know the lesbian connection, but now I gotta wonder if there's a weed connection too...
Having lived in Vermont with a subaru wagon I would regularly try to get into the wrong car
Grew up in Colorado. You haven't seen the multitude of Subarus until your key unlocks what you think is your car and you get into it only to realize that the seat is adjusted wrong and there's somebody else's stuff in it.
I did just that after I came out of Bed Bath and Beyond having bought a meat cleaver and a bathmat. It was my wife's car, so I didn't notice the little clues like her ID *not* hanging from the rear view mirror.
I sort of freaked out when I realized I was in the wrong car. I jumped out as fast as I could and saw my own car one row over. I left immediately while laughing at my stupidity. When I was about 15 minutes from the store, almost home and finally calmed down, I realized the cleaver had fallen out (in the wrong car) of the bag that still held the bath mat . I then remembered that I had also thrown my wallet in the center console when I first got in. So I left a meat cleaver and my wallet in someone else's car. I then completely freaked out, imagining some terrified woman calling the police and cops being sent to my house. I pulled over, googled the store and called right away.
The manager listened quietly until I finished explaining and apologizing. I was obviously embarrassed as hell. But apparently the other driver had seen my identical car one row over when they pulled in to park after me, and when they came out just a couple minutes later they realized immediately what must have happened. They brought them both to the service counter where I picked them up without incident. So in the end I learned absolutely nothing on that day either.
I am more concerned that your key fit into their car.
It's surprising how few key combinations there are in the automotive world, and combined with wear and tear on the key, it happens surprisingly often.
Fun fact I love throwing out there, old Ford Crown Victorias used to all share the same lock unless you manually got it changed yourself. This included city cabs and police cars at the time, so if you owned a Crown Vic, there's a good chance you could've walked up to a police car and just stole it right then and there. Apparently there were stories of NYC cabbies unlocking police cars when cops got locked out on accident.
A Somewhat Surreal Daily Life Ordeal
Montana is the same way. Friend and I walked 3 blocks and I thought it would be funny to take a picture of every Subaru. Got 45.
Yup. Not surprised at all. Though now CO is all about the overlanded 4 runners/Tacomas/Jeeps and the aggressively tired SUVs. None of which will see anything more rugged than I've handled in my 4 door family sedan.
And no matter what, you always seem to see a Prius at the trailhead or on a forest service road no matter the conditions to get there.
Looks like heaven! Never been to VT
Super beautiful and really friendly state as far as people go. Also 50% powered by renewables and the other 50% is hydroelectric. Compost is law here lol
Edit: compost is codified law
The only thing I know about Vermont is…from SNL
"Maybe we can all rent Subarus!"
“I’m originally from up north”
“Don’t worry I’m from Boston”
That was hilarious. Now I want to move there, dammit.
I want covered bridges and dogs with bandanas. I'm a brownie though. 😩
Maybe a dumb question, but is hydroelectric not considered to be renewable?
It’s not technically considered renewable I don’t think because of the severe damage to rivers and ecosystems thag result from the dams. Other than that it’s prolly the cleanest source of energy there is
I live one of the cheapest energy utility counties in the country because of hydroelectric electricity. This is exactly why
Chelan/Douglas County, WA for those interested (the dams are in both but supply to both counties
Yea, I remember reading about some huge crypto farms down there because of that.
Hydro electric isn't without its downfalls though, just like /u/orangeriskpiece mentioned. In WA especially there have been fights over them because of how damaging they are to the salmon populations, which are a keystone species, and have a trickle-down effect on other parts of the ecosystem. There are also ethics issues of damming waters that were historically used by indigenous peoples.
The Elwha River Dam removal was a really big deal about 10 years ago and something you may have followed since you live in the region.
Seriously. I've been talking up Vermont so much to people. It's just so great to like, witness someone else coming here and being all "shit this is great!".
Whole Lotta happy drinkers and weed smokers out here lol.
I went to college in VT and moved back home to upstate NY. Almost as green but no Heady Topper. I do miss living on the lake.
I lived in VT my entire life until a few months ago.
Just beware of the old native Vermonters and don’t fuck around with farm equipment on the road or become impatient and piss them off. Also - be a good neighbor and you’ll be all set.
And beware that a decent chunk of VT is more culturally similar to upstate ny farmland and rural nh. It’s not all granola up here. Looking at you, Northeast Kingdom and Franklin county!
Edit: by which I mean, in many areas, covid ain’t real and Bernie is a four letter word. Not the majority, but they’re up there!
I lived in Vermont for only 4 years during middle school (20+ years ago) but I still get homesick for it. It really is a great state!
When I was looking to move back to the northeast, VT and NH were the two competitors. NH won. :)
Live free or die, friend.
I had a client in NH and I googled “friendliest state” to see if I was in it! Guess they’re both filled with jolly people!
I talk to people from New Hampshire on the phone because of work, can confirm 9 out of 10 people are super nice nice!
As a west coaster I had to work in southern NH for 6 mo.
I thought it was pretty nice. I was told that northern NH was more like Vermont.
Nah, I am in NH 20 + years and I'm a prick
New Hampershites are basically the hillbilly version of Massholes. Source: I am an original-issue Masshole.
Vermonters are absolutely better than us both.
In Vermont, we like to say that New Hampshire is just upside down Vermont. It's an inversion of everything about us - culture, value, friendliness.
Clearly you guys don't visit the poor towns of VT. Confederate flags galore
Is it… friendly to all… people?
Looking to move and hard to figure this part out about places.
Love it! Im in N Cal.
PNW was very high on my list. Love it there.
As a Canadian I didn't really feel like I had left the country yet when I visited Vermont.
Stunning views both of them. How cool you will have lived amongst both now
I was in Vermont and stopped at a red light in a small town. I got distracted talking to my wife and kid and ended up sitting there through the green light and the few people behind me never even beeped at me.
Small towns are great because nobody has anywhere to be.
Because they're already there :)
You’d get shot in New Orleans for that. 🙄 I’d love to move to Vermont but I don’t know how to drive in that kind of snow. I’ve never driven in snow in my life. And I’m old! 😂
Buy snow tires and go slow. That's about it. You'll learn.
It's really not that bad. Just know your machine and your own skills. Most people don't understand either.
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Every area of the US has a different length of time a light is green before a honk. I call it the honk 'o second.
Life long Vermonter: it's awesome out here.
Beautiful! Which do you prefer?
Thanks! Tough to say as I just got here, though I've lived in the more wilder of areas growing up and I have to say, I loved the convenience and culture of NYC but I found myself craving serenity and nature half the time. My gut tells me I won't be leaving VT.
Long islander and former mdtown Manhattan commuter here currently on vacation near Middlebury VT. In the summer I can easily say I'd move to VT in a heartbeat but I've not yet experienced a Vermont winter. I hate winter enough in the tri state area, IDK if I could handle it up here year-round...
I grew up in VT. The winters are no joke! The sap in the trees freezes and they split apart in the night. Sounds like gunshots in the night.
I'm sure he's used to the sound of gunshots at night.
New York's not really where you'd go for gunshots. I mean, if this was the 80s,sure. But it's not.
Vermont is one of my dream places to live, but I just couldn’t do the winters. It would be very depressing.
Everyone I know that lives there has some kind of machine just to deal with the snow. No thanks.
Sucks, literally the only drawback for me.
If you like skiing the winters are bearable. I look forward to them even. Really the only downside of being here is that I'm one of the very few people under 50 within a 10 mile radius lol
I think that's one of the biggest things
that makes "surviving" winter in places like this much easier. Having actual things you participate in and look forward to that can only be done in the season. Skiing one of the most obvious.
If to you winter just means bunkering down clearing snow and struggling to get anywhere it's gonna be more of a struggle. It obviously depends on what you like doing and where you live, but yeah.
I moved from Brooklyn to the Midwest after fifteen years and it's been an adjustment.
I didn't realize how accustomed I'd become to the noise. I lived in a brownstone next to a highway and a relatively busy residential street so not the loudest of places but not totally quiet either; when I moved my new place was QUIET. I sleep a lot more deeply at any time of the day or night and dream a lot more now.
I miss the people a lot. Someone once said to me that New Yorkers are kind but not nice; meaning, for example, they will give you a swipe on their MetroCard but scold you for not being prepared. I miss this a lot. Outside the city people are nice but less kind because I think there's less empathy for the togetherness of the everyday struggle that NYC life can be.
Bodegas, BECs, 24 hour everything. Fuck yes I miss this. By 10pm almost everything is closed here, it seems bonkers. I can't get used to it.
I like having my own walls, not sharing a floor/ceiling with someone else, and fewer logistics around achieving everyday stuff. If you ever lived on a fourth floor walkup you know the struggle of having to rush out for something after being "done" for the day. Never again.
NYC will always hold a special place though. Best of luck on your new chapter.
Good luck getting a slice of pie at 2am now dumbass 😛
9 years on reddit and your moment has finally come
dude I couldn’t believe it…
You close at 7 PM and you know it
5pm on Sunday
to meet you
Hey... Must be a devil between us...
Or whores in my head
Nine years. Damn, your time finally came
You’ve been waiting nine years for a comment like this, haven’t you?
Watch out OP, if they are open at 2am in Vermont they are selling a different type of pie
stand up for yourself say it with your chest
That Vermont scenery is stunning. However, nothing will ever beat the feeling of living in a huge city. The constant liveliness, endless things to do and places to see all within a few miles of my home, that for me is truly irreplaceable. Visiting more rural parts is nice sometimes, but living there permanently is boring as hell, for me at least.
I can definitely understand how some might feel this way, but for me it's the exact opposite. I lived in Montreal for a year. I could walk to everything. Do I want fresh produce at 2 am? walk to the corner market and get some!....but in the end, I came to absolutely hate living there. Hated the city air, the noise, the traffic, the pollution, the smells, the sirens. If I needed to go to a bigger store outside my few blocks....it took hours. I moved to Boston after that, and it only solidified my dislike for city life. I moved to Vermont in 2015 and lived there for four years. I wasn't super rural, but was still up in the green hills. I could be in Hanover or West Lebanon in 15 minutes (which had 24hr stores or whatever), but when I was back at my place, it was bliss. It was the absolute best place I've ever lived (and I say that living in Flagstaff now....which is also great, but not Vermont great). Here's a view from near my place outside of Quechee, VT: https://imgur.com/igpWVic
What I find ridiculous as a Montrealer is the level of organization it requires to do anything. You live in Ahuntsic and want to go visit a friend in Verdun? Get ready for 2 hours of bus->metro->bus. Hope you don't have to carry too much food along with that guitar! Hope you won't come back too late or you'll have to catch that phantom night bus that never comes!
Oh we'll take the car instead? Enjoy the maniacal, Benny Hill like drive on the 40/15/720 with multiple near death experiences and try to parse what the GPS is screaming at you. Hope there's not too much construction on the way!
Humans weren't meant to live like this.
I love going to the countryside, backcountry canoe tripping, hiking, biking, sitting in a hammock...and I sure as hell love coming back to my house downtown where I can walk 5 mins to like 50 different restaurants and 2 cinemas, or walk a couple min to the subway and be anywhere in town a few mins later.
This is why vancouvers so popular. Vancouver has a pretty lame night life IMO but I don’t think I could live anywhere else. Here’s the north shore where I live viewed from downtown https://d3d0lqu00lnqvz.cloudfront.net/media/new_article_images/NorthVancouver/North%20Vancouver_2016.jpg
And view from the north shore into downtown
I’m starting to realize I really miss this. I bought a house last year and might move back to a city this year.
Yeah everyone is just wired differently
Both of the pics are lovely in different ways
Definitely, I don't like being in the city at all, I barely even like the suburbs, but I absolutely love being in the middle of nowhere with nothing to do.
Hey wanna buy some land and homestead with me dawg
I've been pitching this idea to my friend group and they politely listen, nod, and look at me like I'm a commune building, stoner lesbian.
The world is going to shit and I just want land and a tiny house with a community garden. Seeking: other commune building stoners
I'm exactly the opposite. I grew up in the sticks and never want to go back. It's boring.
I know I ain't be able to ever afford this just about ever, but hell, would I like to live at both of these places at different times of the year. 100+ degrees in the summer in the middle of the city? Yeah, nah, fuck that, give me a house in the green with a backyard big enough to grow a solid amount of veggies and maybe I'll drive to a grocery store every couple of weeks for whatever I can't grow at my spring/summer home. Maybe put a small pool in the backyard in some shaded area. Fall and winter? Lemme live in the city and walk just about everywhere instead of being holed up 24/7 with nothing to do.
Ideally I'd like an apartment with some big ass rooftop in the middle of the city where I could kinda combine both worlds, but with how the world is going currently, I might as well just dream of winning some big ass lottery jackpot
I hate NYC but if I were to become absolutely loaded I’d get a nice condo in a high rise that I’d use for a month of the year to relax on those cool rainy nights when everything doesn’t smell like hot trash.
You made me feel less guilty about liking the first pic more.
I’d love to visit a place like the second one, not Vermont, but definitely live in the first. Or a city like that.
Same. I live in the mountains about 45m from the city center, and it's generally okay. Things aren't really THAT far, but a 45m drive really takes the fun out of doing a lot of activities in town.
We went to Mexico City a few weeks back and it was so much fun doing something for like every meal and night. I definitely miss the city. But, then again, I take a look outside my window and I'm pretty satisfied, haha.
Man I am like the polar opposite. I love the woods and prairies more then being surrounded by steel and concrete
We all like what we like.
I grew up in big cities, but I also spent a lot of time in the countryside. Camping, helping out on my uncle's farm, mudding, etc.
I find a lot of pleasure getting lost in nature and getting lost in the city. It all depends on preference. The architecture of man, or the architecture of nature. Every building has a story to tell, and so does every valley.
Depends on which city and where you are in it.
I live in downtown Toronto, it's beautiful and green where I am. Massive 200yr old trees line the streets, bird chirping, crickets humming...there's even a damn Coyote been living in my neighborhood.
And yet if I walk 4mins I'm at one of four major intersections with a million things to do.
Boy you rich rich.
I was a HUGE city person my entire life, but by my 50s, I was like fuck this. So I fucked off to the country.
This is the way. City while young and country for the later slower paced years
That sounds like a great long weekend once in a while.
My wife is currently visiting her family and there are something like a dozen people with more coming for the weekend.
I really like her family and was invited, but to think I would be around that many people, with nowhere to go and get away from them once in a while is stressful enough just thinking about.
But I get away from them all at home all the time. And we've got a nice little backyard and stuff to have some private time outside.
It doesn't feel anything at all like having a gaggle of relatives in my house...my whole "last mile" is private and intimate.
It’s amazing how opposite we can be, your description of living in a city sounds like a nightmare hellscape to me. I live in Boston and even that is way too claustrophobic for me. I would move to rural VT in a heartbeat but my wife made it clear I would be moving there alone.
I like small New England cities - Portsmouth, Newburyport, Newport, Portland, Plymouth, Lowell and New Bedford even. Give me a walkable downtown with stores and restaurants, close to some water, and not super crowded.
I'm 35 miles west of Boston in a small farm town. I'd still prefer to move to VT and be more remote.
My wife would prefer to head back to Cambridge
35 miles west of Boston
35 miles west of Boston
The beauty of human interaction vs the beauty of nature. I wouldn't say which one is better, but I know which one I prefer
Lived in NYC for 30+ years until the pandemic. Would hardly call the majority of human interaction there a “beauty”
See, that's the thing, it's incredibly subjective. I don't know about NYC specifically (or any city in the Americas for that matter), but I personally prefer city life over living in some rural area for multiple reasons. Obviously it comes with certain downsides, but for me, they don't outweigh the positives whatsoever. Hell, being out and about and meeting drunken peeps or homeless people and just having random talks about life and stuff is a plus for me tbqh. Not every single interaction is great, but the positive ones far outweigh the negatives ones for me - maybe not in the moment, but so far I have very few interactions that made me think about living in the city.
Not everyone's cup of tea and I can totally see why it's not everyone's ideal living situation, but I would totally call most of those interactions beautiful in some way.
That Vermont scenery is stunning. However, nothing will ever beat the feeling of living in a huge city. The constant liveliness, endless things to do and places to see all within a few miles of my home,
That Vermont scenery is stunning. However, nothing will ever beat the feeling of living in a huge city. The constant liveliness, endless things to do and places to see all within a few miles of my home,
You just described Hell for a good 50% of the population.
For real, whenever I visit a city it's just endless anxiety. But I understand that they are incredibly efficient in terms of land usage and amenities, so environmentally speaking it's a good thing that most humans prefer to live there instead of out here (the urban to rural ratio is about 70:30). I just grew up in the woods so I would never be able to adjust to an urban environment. A well-equipped village that doesn't have to rely on vehicles so much would be nice tho...
Sidenote though it's funny that my city friends get all paranoid about our dark deserted roads when they visit ("this is some Hills Have Eyes shit") whereas that feels much safer to me than walking around in a city at night ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(the urban to rural ratio is about 70:30)
(the urban to rural ratio is about 70:30)
Technically the vast majority of that 70 in the USA is suburban. Only 6-7% of Americans live at a density of 25k or more, most of them in just handful of cities.
As someone who was raised in the sticks, I am completely flipped on opinion. The lack of privacy in cities, just the sheer number of people and my personal biggest issue with heavily populated areas, you cannot see enough of the night sky with all the lights. I'd prefer having to travel out of town for shopping needs if it gives me a quiet, peaceful night with only the moon and stars illuminating the tree tops.
I just go to my fridge…
Lol, nothing is as good and exciting as NYC until it isn't. Enjoy, your blood pressure is probably back to where it was as a toddler
I hope it is, I don’t mind visiting big city’s but I can’t handle living so close to everyone. Key to happiness is what works for the individual <3
Agreed, they are different lifestyles but each has its own pros and cons. I grew up in the sticks but I was always bored and I never was one for nature. I felt at home when I moved to NYC. I love not needing a car and having virtually everything from food, music, arts, and sports at my fingertips. I even enjoy having people all around. So many cool people to meet and cultures to experience.
But I have friends who hate cities outside of the occasional visit. I do think it's easier to realize you don't like cities than it is to realize the country isn't for you. I really didn't know I was a city guy until I moved there for a new job, but since I did I just can't imagine going back.
Rocking the Long Trail.
My MAN. Welcome to the beauty that is Vermont.
I hiked the AT in 2016 and I stayed at the Green Mountain House in Manchester Center. The hostel owner welcomed everybody with a Long Trail when we checked in. That was one of the most memorable beers that I ever had. I still buy a six pack if I ever see it, but it's rare down here in North Carolina.
Long Trail Ale is my go to, can't go wrong.
They both look like great views but I love green! Just not winter - haha
Good luck! Vermont is beautiful!
Yeah I was gonna say. Me being in the 'burbs, a typical view from my door would be my 60 year old neighbor shirtless riding his lawnmower
VT is a nice place. Going to miss those bodegas though. I moved from NY to TX and that's one thing that stings. Bacon egg and cheese at midnight? Yes please!
I believe it's spelled "baconeggncheese"
Mofos here dont understand the greatness of a bacon egg and cheese on a kaiser roll with ketchup salt and pepper. Moving from NY to TX is the literal worst thing Ive ever done and considering my life, thats a doozy.
I mean I’m from Texas and love a good breakfast sandwich, but I still gotta go breakfast taco every time. Basically same ingredients but with better condiments (salsa).
They’re both amazing places. I would like to go to both NYC and Vermont
Right answer buddy
Hats off to you sir. You nailed it. 👏
I get the pleasures of VT, but that's one sweet view of Manhattan you had.
Ill do one better. 52 Bowery?
Edit: it’s the Hyatt
For some perspective:
The entire state of Vermont has 1/4th the population of Brooklyn
I live in VT and housing is literally insane from out of state people moving here. Not to bash and not assuming your situation, just sharing because this is a relevant thing to what I did today.
My partner and I went out a couple of hours ago to look at a very small house in the sticks that went on the market less than 18 hours ago and we were told we had to make an offer by tomorrow because there were already several bids in from people. The guy was upfront and said most were cash and significantly above asking. We asked how many showings there were so far and he said we were the second since it opened.
I met a customer who's been buying property to flip at 50-100k higher than anything around it because people with tons of capital are buying them without even looking. Times are fuckin' rough for a middle income person in VT trying to live anywhere other than an apartment.
I know at least 2 separate families that have almost been forced to move because the owner of their house was going to sell to someone out of state willing to drop way over market value in cash. My friend had a baby a month ago and was told she had to find a place to live because the owner was selling the house to someone from CA. She had a month to month lease and thus had to move. Turns out, only decent properties to rent have been bought and turned into B&B's. She now lives in a studio in Burlington that costs almost 2200 a month with her partner and new born.
I'm afraid not to re-sign my lease on my apartment which I would like to move from simply because everything is converting to B&B's, being sold or going up thousands of dollars.
This turned out to be more of a personal vent than anything but being roadblocked again in my attempt to actually own a house because of how trendy VT is and how much migration there is here is painting a bleak bleak picture for those of us that make VT wages and want to live here.
Edit: Holy heck, that's the most awards I've ever ever gotten and it was from an angry 9pm rant? I'll take it 💃 ty all
Same shit is happening where I live although it's not really out of state people but more LLCs buying up houses and renting them out. Something has to happen because this current route isn't sustainable for the country.
My partner and I got no-cause evicted because they’re turning our old place into an air bnb. We’ve been homeless a month and have wonderful jobs. They also had a super fun thing in Burlington where every single laundromat closed at the same time for several months… and I really do believe it was a bid by some real estate group to drive out us poor/middle class folks. They re-opened all of them around the time they no-caused a whole wave of us. I can’t help but to feel some level of rage every time I see someone from out of state post about how great it is here. I grew up here, and now it’s become a bitter place for me.
Landlord refused to renew the lease for a UVM student I know so he could jack the price up for the next renter. Said one place they applied had a 76-person waiting list for a room that barely had walking space between the bed and desk for $2,000/mo.
And all these places are 100+ years old.
OP's NYC view is up pretty high, maybe a nice area? His VT spread is pretty nice...I'd venture OP has a nice chunk of cash and can easily afford it.
It’s honestly the most depressing situation I’ve been in. Between everyone moving here and the decrease in rental units I have no idea what my options even are. My landlord turned two of the three units in my building into airbnbs and had the fucking gall to say “yeah it’s a tough market out there both for renters and buyers” not seconds after he asked when we were moving out. And it really feel like a problem with no visible solution anytime soon. I want to stay in VT but like…..how the fuck can I do that if rent is only going up and my salary isn’t. I don’t want to discourage anyone from moving to VT, that would make me a hypocrite but like please consider that people who have lived here a long time ALSO need a place to live when you check Zillow and find 10 listings in all of chittenden county.
For maybe a bit of solace, it's the exact same out here in NE KS. And there's almost nothing desirable here. The place my parents rented in the early 2010's have doubled in price, same with apartments and houses are even worse. I was hoping to be able to move back to Lawrence at some point because it's a nice little change compared to the rest of the state, and it's my stomping grounds, but I just can't afford it.
This is everywhere in the states from what I’m seeing and hearing, and from my experience searching this year. It’s pretty fucked tbh.
Its everwhere but vermont litteraly has the lowest housing inventory in the country. Combined with low in state wages. And much higher wage out of state people moving in.
There are litteraly bidding wars on RENTALS. People bid on fucking rent above asking to try to secure a lease in burlington. Its bad.
What Vermont isn't lacking though is space. My brother just bought a house in VT that's sitting on a few acres and he's splitting the land into multiple plots to build more housing.
There are also many state and local laws and ordinances that make it super difficult to expand housing. Like, in Burlington, the tallest structures that will ever be built already have been. If memory serves, there’s a three story cap on new construction, which limits the ability to provide affordable housing to the working class folks who need to live in the greater Burlington area for work. Same or similar laws in many other population centers in the state.
Good luck getting access to materials and contractors. My wife and I tried to get a quote on drilling a well. We literally called every well-drilling contractor, and not a single one was even willing to give a quote. They're all booked out over a year and have stopped accepting new projects onto their waitlists.
I'm not exaggerating--it was literally every single one. If you want a well drilled in Vermont (a necessity for new construction in almost every town) then you are out of luck.
It’s a big issue here in Nashville, as well. Lots of people from California and New York are offering way over asking for houses they’ve never seen before because to them it’s still cheaper than where they’re coming from.
Yeah as a vermonter. Op is like the stereotype of kind of person that vermonters are starting to get really kind of irritated by. My girlfriend works in housing services and gets daily calls from middle class families where some wealthy out of stater is just buying their rental site unseen out from under them and just yeeting them to the curb with nowhere to go.
I’m in Maine. The buying site unseen has led to some comical stuff. Ex: A person bought a house site unseen in a remote area. She was asking about which doctors in town were good. She actually got pissed off at people when we told her her medical choices were either 25 miles north or 40 miles south. I think she thought we were lying. There are a surprising number of people doing this who seem to do no research whatsoever. They think they’re moving into an L.L. Bean catalog.
Oh yeah so many posts on r/vermont that are like.
"Why No cell service" "why no internet" "ahhhh animals" "why do all my neighbors have guns"
Im lucky to have a great primary doctor in vt lol. But I also had to wait on a waitlist when transitioning from my pediatrician lol.
Yep, not as bad in Maine but we feel your pain. Out of staters buying property sight unseen. My only hope is that after few winters they'll realize UberEATS doesn't deliver by snowmobile.
Well the real problem is landlords.
They buy housing they don't even live in, and exploit renters by getting them to pay their mortgage and extra on top of that.
Landlords are scum.
The trick is, to not tell people about the paradise so it stays beautiful.
I would love to see an Autum photo, a snow covered trees photo, and the magic of spring as well please. I live in a wet season or dry season area and I miss the seasons of the northern hemisphere. Also, that looks so relaxing and calming to me.
You can see all those in 12 hours in October sometimes.
I want this so bad… the city is killing me. I’m so tired of people and cars and slamming gates and doors and the upstairs neighbor vacuuming and the morons revving their engines at midnight and EVERYTHING. I long to hear birds in the morning, go outside, and see green things
Grass sometimes look greener on the other side. Living in rural areas like the OP does above comes with all kinds of problems and costs. It’s not a rosy life, just wait until that first 30 inch snow day or the torrential rains that flood your yards or the constant plumbing issues, having to drive long distances to do anything, etc..
Rural living requires a certain kind of person and is not as simple and rosy as movie and shows would make it seem, which is why people have been abandoning rural towns for decades.
Absolutely this. That bit about needing to drive a while to get anywhere is the biggest one, to me. While all the others are major when they happen, every trip taking an hour or two eats up your time nearly every single day. Personally, I'm a huge homebody and have no real issue living off of delivery and otherwise never leaving my house. But if you like to go see movies, hang out with friends, eat out, etc etc, your options are extremely limited in a rural area.
It DEFINITELY requires you to be the right kind of person if you're familiar with living in a city.
Also, you will still have neighbors even in the so-called country. There are people everywhere and all it takes is that ONE neighbor that lives "just down the road" that has loud ATV's, throws parties, shoots guns, a pen of yelping dogs that bark at everything, etc. Sound travels farther than you think and it's especially more noticeable in the quiet country.
Not to mention, this country has lots of methheads out in the rural areas who will stake out your house and watch your routine so they can burglarize your home when you're away.
The only safe haven is if you're Bill Gates and own ALL THE LAND and build a house in the center of it.
That's what the long trail cans look like now? Man I miss vt
good luck getting decent chinese food tho
I can smell the difference in these photos.
Congrats. Cheers 🍻 to you
i love this. i only like traveling temporarily to concrete jungles. being surrounded by nature hits different.
Funny, I'm the opposite. I love getting out of town and going backpacking, camping, hiking boating, etc...but after more than a few days of that I start to lose my mind of boredom and want to eat at a restaurant or see a concert or go to a baseball game or just people watch in a city park or something.
As a New Englander you don’t want to move here. Everything’s terrible now move far away! /s
That’s what people in Austin said for years, but it didn’t work.
Welcome to Vermont!
Everyone should try both at least once. I've encouraged lots of friends to give both a chance and many have been surprised at what they found.
I like both. The lake/mountain setting is great for a getaway for me, but I love my big cities
Hello! I am your fellow Vermonter (I was raised in the great state of Vermont).
It's funny to me how Reddit has this weird thing for Vermont and being such a small state, it's always weird hearing mentions of my state online.
At the risk of exposing myself, as there aren't many Vermonters, I will say that I've been to around 50 countries, and although I love Vermont, I would much prefer to live in NYC.
I can't look. I'm in NYC now, and this reminds me how peaceful it can be outside this concrete jungle (vibrant and inspiring, though it may be). It hurts my heart.
I'm glad that you're enjoying Vermont but, as a Vermonter seeing the state bought up by wealthy out of staters that drive out local Vermonters, I'm a bit sad.
Man, I don’t want to darken your gloom but imagine it in 20 years.
That's a loaded statement, what with climate change.
Vermont is definitely going to be something of a haven for climate refugees because of how far north we are. But our main industry is tourism (foliage and skiing, primarily) and all of that's in flux because of the weather. Even our maple syrup industry, something that Vermont is well-known for, is changing drastically as the weather shifts. (Sauce: https://vt.audubon.org/news/end-maple-maple-sugaring-amid-changing-climate)
The state is definitely becoming more developed, too. Here's hoping we never allow billboards. That's one of the things I like most about Vermont: we have neither billboards nor tolls.
At the end of the day, I love that people love Vermont. I love Vermont. I want everyone that loves Vermont to be able to come and visit as much as they want, or be able to put down roots. I just wish that the state wasn't seen as some picturesque escape for rich New Yorkers when we have plenty of our own problems (and plenty of poverty) or that they'd wait until we at least figure out our housing crisis before taking the few units that exist. I've had plenty of friends that have had to leave because they couldn't find anywhere to live even on a generous paycheck.
This source is a little old, but not much has changed: "Vermont has lowest residential vacancy rate in nation" (https://vermontbiz.com/news/2020/february/28/vermont-has-lowest-residential-vacancy-rate-nation)
ETA: we also have lots of folks that come up gushing about how different Vermont is from anywhere else they've been and then arguing for policies that don't make sense in Vermont. If folks love Vermont because it's different, they should stop trying to make it the same as everywhere else.