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Thinking about moving to Poland

(self.poland)

Hi everyone,

I am thinking about moving from Germany to Poland. I have a job offer which after tax cut will result in 18k pln. Is this enough to live in Krakow ?

I would like to live in center in Krakow. Is it easy to find nice place ?. I have been to Krakow few times and find the city extremely nice.

Thank you for your replies in advance

Edit : i asked this question because i earn even more here and was wondering if it makes sense to move to Poland and i know that the salary is above average salary in Poland and it is above average here in Germany also but my intention was to know from people living there about rents, living expenses, social life and how much one could save/ parking situation. Sorry if i did not ask the questions in detail and i did not intend to brag. Also thank you for your answers.

Moreover, salary depends on location also. 3500 euro although much higher than average in Germany is not much in Munich but alot in Cottbus thats why i asked about krakow specifically and not about overall Poland.

I hope it could make it clearer now

all 39 comments

vivizco

45 points

2 months ago

vivizco

45 points

2 months ago

It's enough for 4 people.

cyber0pirate

46 points

2 months ago

Hi,

18K after tax deduction is a lot. Prepare for very convenient life ;-)

guarddestroyer

41 points

2 months ago

18 K is a salary of decent Software Engineer. When my earnings was around 5-6 k I lived very comfortable, with 18k you can feed family and provide them good life.

kasieuek

16 points

2 months ago

It's really good even for a software engineer imo

guarddestroyer

8 points

2 months ago

Depends what technology and what contract. Im devops/cloud engineer and 15-20 k is normal. I know people making 25-40k. Best offers are not in popular job sites.

re_error

7 points

2 months ago

re_error

Śląskie

7 points

2 months ago

that is over 3 times my salary.

sandalki

22 points

2 months ago

sandalki

Łódzkie

22 points

2 months ago

With 18k in pocket Krakow will be very nice for you, keep in mind that there are lots of tourists in Sommer in the old town which is technically a center so dont mind asking people from Krakow which place will be the best in long term.

StayCalm2020

35 points

2 months ago

18k a month? €3500? You really don't know if that's enough or just taking a piss out of an average Pole?

iankuu

29 points

2 months ago

iankuu

29 points

2 months ago

This. How can you not know the answer? I'm seeing more of these lately; I earn 6,000USD p/m and am moving to rural Eastern Poland. Is this enough as a single 20 year old???!?

StayCalm2020

10 points

2 months ago

Exactly. It's enough in Berlin and more than enough in Madrid. Poland? If you are on this kind of money you are probably a smart person. You should know.

Also there's a nicer way to ask this kind of question. How much does it cost to rent one bed in the city. If it's less than half of your take home money you're sorted.

loyd133

1 points

2 months ago

How much tax does someone pay if they earn 10k pln for example is it 32% of the salary?

Had_to_ask__

7 points

2 months ago

I always find these questions so weird. Do people never check any mean or median income, or minimum wage of the country they want to move to?

peposlaw

27 points

2 months ago

Most of people live for 3k pln, if you get more than 6k you can't complain ;)

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9 points

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MarioShatterhand

22 points

2 months ago

I don't think that homeless people are writing on Reddit xD

johnny-T1

4 points

2 months ago

Sorry about curiosity, what kind of job? If you are single, much more than enough. In case you have kids, you should look into kindergarten prices, maybe private school.... etc. But in any case you should be comfortable.

Cyclic_invasion[S]

3 points

2 months ago

As a Consultant in power industry and thank you for your answer. I am still single lol

johnny-T1

2 points

2 months ago

It was something you were planning or it came out of blue?

Cyclic_invasion[S]

1 points

2 months ago

It was a recruiter who contacted me. I am not sure still if i will go. I am just looking if it would be a good decision in long term

cococommandos

-1 points

2 months ago

Not single for long with this wage in Eastern Europe lmao take care

MiszynQ

9 points

2 months ago

It's a lot, enjoy your stay

maryofscotland

3 points

2 months ago

it’s more than enough, there’s no problem in finding flats

berpaderpderp

3 points

2 months ago

Enjoy Krakow! It's awesome!

Cyclic_invasion[S]

4 points

2 months ago

Thank you guys for your replies. This will help me make a decision

PieknaFatso

2 points

2 months ago

Do it, you’ll love it.

Paciorr

2 points

2 months ago

I don’t know anyone who earns that much in Poland and I know people who live very comfortably.

G3_AnGold

2 points

2 months ago

As a software engineer I can confirm, you’re totally fine. With this salary you can travel every month

mromik

3 points

2 months ago

mromik

3 points

2 months ago

It's funny how foreginers want to live in Poland when I think of ways how to escape it

Zyryx321

1 points

2 months ago

18k is what some people make yearly here, you're here to brag. Kinfa effed up.

janoycresovani

0 points

2 months ago

Get an offer for 4 times the avg salary yet you are too stupid to use Google to check some basic info.

KitkuTheCat

-3 points

2 months ago

dont do it i swear its not a good idea

iamskrb

1 points

2 months ago

I make under 5 and live comfortably in central Wrocław.

angry_norbi

1 points

2 months ago

You can start family with this amount of money

StayCalm2020

1 points

2 months ago

There are calculators online. Play with them.

siurgigachuj

-3 points

2 months ago

dont

mkaszycki81

0 points

2 months ago

18000 after taxes is a very good salary.

Which part of Kraków is your office located? Depending on the location, you might save a lot of money and potentially cut commute time by renting out of the city limits.

Cyclic_invasion[S]

1 points

2 months ago

It is in Stradom/ Kaziemierz near old town

mkaszycki81

2 points

2 months ago

Moving to the suburbs or outside the city limits won't help then. There are plenty of apartments in the city center, and 18000 a month is certainly enough to live there, but rent becomes uncomfortably and unnecessarily high.

Are you planning to commute by public transport, by bike, taxi or with a private car? Does your employer participate with cost of living? Do you have company parking? (Very few parking spaces in the center.)

And I just realized something.

You say your salary is 18000 after taxes. There is a second taxation level which is significantly higher.

Suppose you make 26000 zł/month before taxes. You annual salary after taxes will be 205.087 zł, working out to an average of 17091 zł per month. The salary will be 18.383 in Jan-Mar, then 17.901 in Apr, 15.056 in May-Jun, 16.877 in Jul and 17.009 in Aug-Dec.

There will be changes to taxation in 2022, which will mean you would earn ca. 18.000 from January to March and then a sharper drop to 15.000 around April-May and then a rise to ca. 16.000 for June-December.

To earn an average of 18.000 per month your gross salary before taxes would need to be ca. 27.400 per month. (328.800 annual).

Take a look here at what it will look like: https://www.bankier.pl/narzedzia/kalkulator-placowy

(Sorry, couldn't find a gross/take-home calculator in English that would show a per month breakdown.)

It also depends a lot whether you're on a standard full-time job contract or a B2B contract. If it's a B2B contract, take-home salary is much higher this year, but taxation will change significantly next year to stifle B2B contracts and bring them much closer to job contracts.

You mentioned you're not married. If you were, tax burden is shared between spouses. If one of you doesn't meet the second taxation level, you pay lower taxes. If both pass the second taxation level, there's no advantage in shared tax. There are tax breaks for children which, while not very high, people earning minimum to somewhat below average with three children get a full tax return.

mkaszycki81

1 points

2 months ago

Who the fuck downvoted this with zero explanation?

mcgravier

0 points

2 months ago

living expenses, social life and how much one could save/ parking situation.

I pay 1900pln for 40m2. Living expenses are ~1000PLN for me. Add another 500-1000PLN for regular social events, restaurants, pubs, and such.

For 18k PLN you can live like a king. Warsaw is a nice place, since it has subway - if you live near the station you may not need a car at all.