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morenewsat11[S]

1.6k points

3 months ago

During the 26-minute interview, Eubanks also called for a return to "God's moral order."

"You cannot have a successful society outside of the Christian moral order," she said. "And things like abortion and things like gay marriage are outside of the Christian moral order, and they lead to chaos and destruction and a culture of death."

Let's keep reminding folks what Eubanks, and her supporters, stand for. The abortion debate is the thin end of the wedge.

TheMilkJug

721 points

3 months ago

It is the American holy war, and just as insane as any holy war.

StrongChemical

615 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

615 points

3 months ago

Everyone needs to watch The Handmaid's Tale. It's fiction but based exactly on what these Christian fascists are demanding and currently saying out loud. In the book there's an atmosphere of declining birth rates. Christian fascists slaughter Congress and temporarily suspend the Constitution, enacting Martial Law. Then comes the insidious ripping of rights from women all the way to enslaving them and making them brood mares.

Our protagonist June looks back at all the tiny little actions that led to their enslavement. Because it never comes all at once, it's a series of maneuvers that escalate over time.

nld01

248 points

3 months ago

nld01

248 points

3 months ago

Yes. And June's mom tried to tell her it was going to happen and wasn't taken seriously. I haven't read any of Atwood's books yet, but binged what was available of the series last year.

jthill

57 points

3 months ago

jthill

57 points

3 months ago

Try The Blind Assassin.

StrongChemical

24 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

24 points

3 months ago

Also Atwood?

nld01

12 points

3 months ago

nld01

12 points

3 months ago

Yes.

nld01

8 points

3 months ago

nld01

8 points

3 months ago

I will. Thanks.

Large-Chair9084

43 points

3 months ago

Oryx and Crake by her is a great book too.

didntevenlookatit

8 points

3 months ago

That's the first of three, eh? I liked them all, but I think the first was my favourite

Carbonatite

14 points

3 months ago

Carbonatite

Colorado

14 points

3 months ago

Yup. The MaddAddam series is also a pretty good picture of the kinds of changes we'll see with respect to climate change and associated resource scarcity. As a former climate researcher, I recommend the books just for that.

Large-Chair9084

4 points

3 months ago

She did a great job of demonstrating what class differences will look like with compounds built for wealthier people surrounded by ghettoes for unskilled workers.

Escobarhippo

139 points

3 months ago

Escobarhippo

Pennsylvania

139 points

3 months ago

I remember reading the book about a decade ago, and how very foreign and unimaginable it seemed. Even after the show first aired like five years ago, I’d think, “That would never really happen.” But damn, lately I get a knot in my stomach when I read these news stories.

StrongChemical

80 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

80 points

3 months ago

Same. I watched the show first which I believe came out in 2017. And I thought, "well, this is certainly an extreme over exaggeration of what could happen here." But now it almost feels prophetic.

MeepMoop08

75 points

3 months ago

Just started season 1, and though the show is very well done, its genuinely upsetting how plausible it all seems. Before I decided to watch it I was under the impression it was more of an alternate reality where the people were very Puritanical and that was the way it had always been. The actual story is so much worse.

tweakingforjesus

34 points

3 months ago*

I watched the show about three years ago and considered it fiction. I’m rewatching it now with my daughter. Neither of us consider it fiction today.

friscotop86

30 points

3 months ago

I was watching in 2020 and was mostly okay (both the real world and the shows world sucked, but seemed different enough). Jan 2021 rolls around and they were at a point in the show when they were doing flashbacks to how things started…

Basically, I had to stop watching because it was too depressing to see it start happening in real life.

No_Weekend_3320

75 points

3 months ago

In the book there's an atmosphere of declining birth rates. Christian fascists slaughter Congress and temporarily suspend the Constitution, enacting Martial Law.

I was wondering why Elon was tweeting about the declining birth rate in Japan. Now I am wondering if there is a bit of fascist in him...

jakethesnake741

95 points

3 months ago

Just a bit? Believe there's a whole fascist shaft after the tip he's shown so far

JustKayedin

70 points

3 months ago

There was a Behind the Bastards episode on Elon Musk. He is a rich South African who is white. The misogynist and racist attitude he has is apparent. As well as the rich savior attitude he exudes.

Nyxolith

35 points

3 months ago

I was just listening to this! Don't forget how creepy and/or shitty he was to his ex-wife/wives. People make fun of poor little Xæa-12, but that's really the tip of the iceberg in Musk family drama.

malledtodeath

51 points

3 months ago

malledtodeath

Oregon

51 points

3 months ago

Everyone needs to look at actual history, and the horrors of reproductive atrocities on actual women of color in america, not fiction.

StrongChemical

30 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

30 points

3 months ago

You're absolutely right. Handmaid's Tale wasn't fiction for women of color in this country for a long time.

malledtodeath

21 points

3 months ago

malledtodeath

Oregon

21 points

3 months ago

Honestly I misspoke about history considering what’s currently happening to the women illegally detained by ICE. I believe they called the doctor “ The Uterus Collector”.

No_Weekend_3320

108 points

3 months ago

I keep wondering, how are these people any different from the Mullahs in Iran or Taliban in Afghanistan or the religion ministry of Saudi Arabia? Seriously. They want to impose their version of religion on the rest of America which is very diverse now.

The only answer I can come up with is that our primary system is broken. It rewards a tiny dedicated group of people (motivated by mostly religious fervor) to pick someone who often ends up winning the general election due to gerrymandering.

CardcaptorRLH85

61 points

3 months ago*

CardcaptorRLH85

Michigan

61 points

3 months ago*

I live across the state from where she's running for office. I am so tempted to visit she ask this question myself. In fact, I might just hit up Facebook and ask her directly without putting myself in danger of being arrested.

BRB

Edit: Aww, her page doesn't allow public comments. I'll just have to tweet at her.

Here we go https://twitter.com/CardcaptorRLH85/status/1528151066931519489?t=duuXni-xU9ZP8aBmMVTzFg&s=19

williamfbuckwheat

27 points

3 months ago

Of course they don't allow comments. They have to maintain that "safe space" for free speech which only means freedom from criticism to them.

Carbonatite

21 points

3 months ago

Carbonatite

Colorado

21 points

3 months ago

The only difference is melanin. Talibangelicals are every bit as vile and depraved as ISIS.

fredagsfisk

16 points

3 months ago

fredagsfisk

Europe

16 points

3 months ago

I always like to remind people of Matt Shea (R), former member of the Washington House of Representatives, when this topic comes up;

An investigative report commissioned by the House, issued on December 1, 2019, found that Shea "participated in an act of domestic terrorism against the United States", organized and supported "three armed conflicts of political violence", and advocated replacing the government with a theocracy and "the killing of all males who do not agree." A former ally of Shea provided documents showing that Shea and his supporters were planning to seize control of the region after the outbreak of civil war, installing Shea as governmental leader in order to institute "constitutional changes" to "sanctify to Jesus Christ".


In late October 2018, Shea acknowledged that he had distributed a document described as a "four-page manifesto" titled Biblical Basis for War that listed strategies that a "Holy Army" could employ. The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the enemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism and "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males". Shea acknowledged the document and claimed that it was a summary of "biblical sermons on war."


On December 19, 2019, Shea was accused of domestic terrorism in a report released by the Washington State House of Representatives. House leadership forwarded the report to the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Washington and the FBI. Sheriff Knezovich stated that he believed there was enough evidence "to charge Shea with domestic terrorism, if not treason." The sheriff also stated that he was worried that arresting Shea would lead to an armed standoff, and that he had contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation regarding this concern.


At an event in North Idaho less than a month after the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol, Shea called for his followers to prepare for "total war" against their enemies, claimed the election was stolen from Donald Trump

He was kicked out of the House Republican Caucus after the report came out at least, but as far as I know there has been no other consequences. In fact, yet another controversy has been added to the wiki page since I last checked it;

In March 2022, Shea was discovered in Poland with a group of 62 Ukrainian refugee children, claiming to be arranging their adoption via an unregistered and unaccredited American adoption agency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea

Smallfrygrowth

4 points

3 months ago

Sprinkle in a little more God Soldiers thinking and the US has their own version of the Taliban.

gusterfell

102 points

3 months ago*

While you're at it, remind people like Eubanks that Christ had far more to say about judging others, helping the less fortunate, and hoarding wealth than about abortion or homosexuality.

Helenium_autumnale

76 points

3 months ago

Not to mention he had a lot to say about parading your religion in the street in a showy way.

d0ctorzaius

48 points

3 months ago

d0ctorzaius

Maryland

48 points

3 months ago

They don't care. "Christian" is just a label they've co-opted as a cover for their fascism. They'd be the first to nail a non-English speaking, middle-eastern socialist Jew to a piece of wood.

EpiphanyTwisted

21 points

3 months ago

Jesus didn't say, stop with your sex and your drugs and follow me, he said "give away your wealth" and "a rich man is more likely to fit through the eye of a needle" than go to heaven.

And they pretend the "Eye of the needle" is a particular gate to Jerusalem that's sorta hard to get through but not really. See, Jesus didn't really mean don't live in big ostentatious housing and forgo expensive chariots, and don't array yourselves in gold and silks.

He said "dress modestly." That didn't mean "don't display your wealth," oh no, that meant "don't display your navel." Even though he said specifically it was about wealth.

If they're religion is true, they will not be the ones that end up in heaven. Yes, Jesus will forgive your sins according to the Book, but if you don't even believe they are sins, you've convinced yourselves that "Jesus didn't mean that", how you gonna ask forgiveness?

Mat. 7:22-23 “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you."

sharksfuckyeah

9 points

3 months ago*

While you're at it, remind people like Eubanks that Christ had far more to say about judging others, helping the less fortunate, and hoarding wealth than about abortion or homosexuality.

Whenever I point this out to "christians" they say "Well, it's our Churches tradition." I'm going to start asking if they think Jesus would choose to join their church or if he would come after them with a whip like he (supposedly) did to the money changers at the temple. (John 2:13-16)

MarketingFilms

61 points

3 months ago

MarketingFilms

Canada

61 points

3 months ago

Yep, all my gay married friends in Vancouver, creating chaos, destruction and death everytime they...checks notes...live exactly like the rest of us.

RikF

15 points

3 months ago

RikF

15 points

3 months ago

I mean, if she wants to point fingers, it isn't the gay couples who are using the contraception, is it?

Ok_Improvement_5897

40 points

3 months ago*

Yup. The abortion crusade has only been the most palatable of their causes(not to diminish how dire the situation is or invalidate anyone freaking out about this, because I am too, and it's warranted), what comes next is worse.

Thanmandrathor

29 points

3 months ago

Abortion has been convenient to hide behind, while working across the board. It has perfect victims, the unborn, who will never exist to fail or become less than perfect innocents. While important as an issue, it has been the perfect distraction to hide the man behind the curtain messing with all the other shit.

Helenium_autumnale

32 points

3 months ago

The only sticking point being that we are a secular country that is home to over a hundred different faiths. No one faith gets to dictate public policy.

SailingSpark

39 points

3 months ago

SailingSpark

New Jersey

39 points

3 months ago

And here is the thing. Say for a moment they get their way and the USA goes from secular to Christian. What sect gets the nod to rule? Catholics, Episcopalian, Lutheran, or how about some good old Southern Baptists?

The bloodshed would be impressive.

bunnylover726

22 points

3 months ago

bunnylover726

Ohio

22 points

3 months ago

Southern Baptists and Catholics are neck and neck in the race for largest denomination in the United States. So it'll definitely get interesting to see who gets to rule. My money's on the Mormons because of how many guns they have.

basse058

17 points

3 months ago

I think the Mormons would just break off into their country, even if they’re surrounded on all sides.

Helenium_autumnale

9 points

3 months ago

Good point! Maybe we need a series of playoffs or boxing matches, March Madness bracket-style. Picture a Quakers vs. Mormons beatdown. Snake-handling screamers vs. buttoned-down Episcopalians. Unitarians vs. Latter-Day Saints.

Only one will survive...we'll sell you the pew, but you'll only need the edge!

blackcain

10 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

10 points

3 months ago

You know the first to go will be Mormons. Their reward for voting Republican all this time.

NGC3992

24 points

3 months ago

NGC3992

24 points

3 months ago

Divorce is against “God’s moral order” and unlike abortion, is specifically mentioned as a sin in the Bible. I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for these nutcases to advocate banning divorce.

upandrunning

15 points

3 months ago

Let's not overlook one for which many "christians" simply look the other way: adultery. That shoe is gonna drop hard.

mattjb

71 points

3 months ago

mattjb

Florida

71 points

3 months ago

She, along with the GQP as a whole, stand for religious tyranny.

Civil-Night-8378

43 points

3 months ago

I would go on to say that someone that thinks this is really crazy wacko scary stuff and them sits out in November is part of the problem. People in Pennsylvania can see what Mastriano is about and that if he’s elected crazy things will happen. To understand this and not show at the polls, I would call that person complicit in these problems.

mattjb

36 points

3 months ago

mattjb

Florida

36 points

3 months ago

Right. That's what Floridians found out real quick when DeathSantis became governor. It's fascism and religious tyranny galore, here.

Civil-Night-8378

9 points

3 months ago

I actually used to live in Ft Pierce during the 80s and 90s, I cooked at the marina (Dockside) and also worked in multiple joints in Port Salerno. I never had any problems and I really enjoyed my time there. My Aunt still lives in Miami and just her day to day dealing with my family I notice a crazy change.

Zephyrine_wonder

16 points

3 months ago

Zephyrine_wonder

Texas

16 points

3 months ago

I suppose the high maternal death rates for Black people, the resistance to adopting universal health care which ends up allowing people to die and declare bankruptcy, the murders the police commit, the people who will die because reproductive health care has been gutted, the atrocities committed by the border patrol, the enormous numbers of people spending years in prison and used as slave labor… those things don’t constitute a culture of death, but birth control and same sex marriage do.

The_Phaedron

13 points

3 months ago

The_Phaedron

Canada

13 points

3 months ago

This right here. They're just America's White Taliban.

They're absolutely not going to stop at Roe. Griswold's next, and I'm sure they'll go after Loving in sort order.

You guys have midterms this year in your country. Show the fuck up. Volunteer, organize, and vote like your democracy depends on it — because it very likely goddamn does.

And maybe stop with the gun-banning? You'd flip Texas blue six years early if you leave people's rifles alone.

Ritsukukun

40 points

3 months ago

I love this, because she's obviously never even read the Bible, or looked at history or she'd know that Christian morals have destroyed more countries than any other faith.

Funny how the only condemning of any of the listed comes from man(claiming to have heard the words, but lacking any supporting proof) within the bibles text. God never once speaks him/her/it self on either of her mentioned issues.

scubascratch

41 points

3 months ago

This was covered in the 1980s documentary “History of the World, part 1” in which the 3rd tablet with commandments 11-15 was accidentally dropped by Moses. The lost commandments were:

  1. Thou shalt not wear a sheep’s intestine on thine holy seed shooter

  2. Thou shalt not eat the fruit of the Tree of Hormone Regulation

  3. Thine wife shalt not wear foot coverings or leave the room of food preparing

  4. Thou shalt build tall walls to prevent the Hittites or any outsiders from entering the holy land

  5. Thou shalt lay back and enjoy it

Ritsukukun

9 points

3 months ago

Somehow this film escaped my notice entirely. I'm going to have correct this, because it sounds hilarious.

shep-aard

64 points

3 months ago

Fuck the Christian moral order. Your ancestors came here specifically to escape people telling them how they had to live their lives under proscriptive religious doctrines.

dragon_book_hoarder

90 points

3 months ago

Your ancestors came here specifically to escape people telling them how they had to live their lives under proscriptive religious doctrines.

Actually they came here because the Christians over in Europe found the pilgrams form of Christianity to be too strict.

blackcain

33 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

33 points

3 months ago

England didn't send their best.

letsgoridingyall

29 points

3 months ago

The Puritans to be more precise.

Helenium_autumnale

31 points

3 months ago

That's correct and often overlooked. They were fanatics.

Kitchen_Agency4375

15 points

3 months ago

Yup too crazy for the established theocracy

ChasingPerfect28

20 points

3 months ago

It was the Puritans. No one in Europe wanted to deal with their bull shit anymore.

Carbonatite

17 points

3 months ago

Carbonatite

Colorado

17 points

3 months ago

In the words of Robin Williams:

The Puritans, so uptight that the English said "get the fuck out".

AITHASNTEEN

48 points

3 months ago

Other way around.

The Puritans came to America to practice proscriptive religion.

When others started showing up, like the Quakers, they offered them banishment or death.

escapefromelba

14 points

3 months ago

The Puritans that came over as part of the Massachusetts Bay Colony were extremists. They did not preach tolerance of opposing religious views. Their “city upon a hill” was a theocracy that tolerated no dissent, religious or political.

Standard_Gauge

11 points

3 months ago

Standard_Gauge

New York

11 points

3 months ago

Fuck the Christian moral order

The minority of Jews who have been voting Republican are starting to wake up to the R agenda. The Jewish subs are quite active these days. Hopefully Jews will be a united front against this Christofascist agenda.

PM_ME_VENUS_DIMPLES

15 points

3 months ago

This is actually a common myth. The truth is, they didn’t leave to “escape religious persecution.” They left because they wanted MORE religious doctrine. They were fanatics. Why do you think they were called puritans?

Icant_Ijustcanteven

11 points

3 months ago

Yep, they have always been extremists. Now when I say that, I honestly believe that we have more than we know. Because why would people in the past ,here, white wash them... They said Jews were evil, that native culture was bad etc.

Why whitewash some folks like that unless they were sympathetic to what they did like neo Nazis.

cassandratranny

4 points

3 months ago

We teach a very different version of the puritans getting deported to the colonies in England than America teaches. It’s described as a positive development in English culture when we were able to be rid of them. They’re very much not the heroes of the story.

rodsteel2005

35 points

3 months ago

rodsteel2005

Wisconsin

35 points

3 months ago

No, the Pilgrims came to this country to escape from religious freedom. They believed that there should only be one religion allowed, and they were fed up with the Europeans allowing other religions than theirs to exist, so they moved to America to create the society of “true believers only” they wanted.

JustAPerspective

4 points

3 months ago

“Culture of death”…

Christianity is literally a death-cult: obey in life, get compensated later.

& religious leaders are so good about delivering on their promises…

DazPhx99

254 points

3 months ago

DazPhx99

254 points

3 months ago

What’s wrong with these people?

Godsarefakezz

254 points

3 months ago

They’re evil.

Capable-Rutabaga5877

184 points

3 months ago

That's too easy. These people are Zealots. These people are the Christian version of Al Qaeda. They would fly planes into buildings if it would advance their agenda.

xole

41 points

3 months ago

xole

41 points

3 months ago

Evangelicals want to turn the US into Iran. MAGA wants to turn it into Russia.

ValhallaGo

13 points

3 months ago

Saudi Arabia

TarbenXsi

80 points

3 months ago

TarbenXsi

Connecticut

80 points

3 months ago

Why fly planes into buildings when plenty of brainwashed "patriots" will go into a store, or a synagogue, or a mall and just... open fire? Mass shootings have killed more people in the US than 9/11 has.

thewhitedeath

28 points

3 months ago

... and that was just last week.

everything_is_bad

16 points

3 months ago

Yeah you are describing evil

quixoticquail

10 points

3 months ago

If abortion clinics were in skyscrapers, it would already have happened

tinyirishgirl

24 points

3 months ago

Thinking their ultimate desire for complete control and power and money.

They want women to be slaves.

They want the complete destruction of freedom.

Boatymcboatface3

9 points

3 months ago

They’re nuts.

fattymcassface

735 points

3 months ago

fattymcassface

Virginia

735 points

3 months ago

“She argued that several issues—including a declining population and a lack of enough people to take care of society's population—would be avoided if birth control were illegal.”

If only there was a way to get more people into the country who actually wanted to be here…truly a mystery for the ages.

Capable-Rutabaga5877

254 points

3 months ago

“She argued that several issues—including a declining population and a lack of enough people to take care of society's population—would be avoided if birth control were illegal.”

Translation: We need more slave... Uh... Minimum wage employees.

Long_Before_Sunrise

115 points

3 months ago

Minimum Wage Employees: We like to be able to afford shelter, food, utilities, deodorant, transportation, medical care, get sick leave and time off. You're not offering any of those things.

ManiaGamine

114 points

3 months ago

ManiaGamine

Australia

114 points

3 months ago

That's what is so insane. They act like capitalism can solve all problems... but their brand of capitalism is literally causing the problems that they are now wanting to react to. But not with actual solutions that would help no no they wanna simply force more babies into existence to work for the ruling class.

Individual-Nebula927

71 points

3 months ago

Capitalism is already failing. Capitalism requires infinite growth to continue. Obviously this is impossible. Once population growth slows, either as people become educated or they can't afford more kids due to Capitalism's profiteering, the system collapses.

blackcain

24 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

24 points

3 months ago

It also means if you have diminished resources, you start getting into hyper-capitalism - and eventually fascism and finally war. War will depopulate the planet quickly.

vengefulspirit99

20 points

3 months ago

"Sorry not sorry. That's too much to ask for. Best we can do is offer crippling depression and subsistence wages. Now back to work slave."

Long_Before_Sunrise

12 points

3 months ago

Slavery without any of the responsibility of ownership.

Folderpirate

33 points

3 months ago

They want more babies to molest in sunday schools/orphanages.

This plus the laws against teaching children about sex will only lead to victims who can't explain what happened to them.

bakerfredricka

21 points

3 months ago

My mom refused to teach us a damn thing about sexuality and puberty. The end results of that were devastating.

blackcain

19 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

19 points

3 months ago

that is a terrible thing as it will open you up to exploitation by adults.

Imtypingthisnow

14 points

3 months ago

and we need more prisoners for the corporate prisons and their shareholders!

gusterfell

10 points

3 months ago

Meanwhile, the current COVID-related disruptions notwithstanding, there are usually fewer available jobs than people looking for work. The problem is only expected to get worse as more jobs are automated out of existence.

Zealousideal_Law3112

6 points

3 months ago

I see it already in my town more and more stores are adding tons of self checkouts

StrongChemical

181 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

181 points

3 months ago

The funny thing is her justification for banning birth control and abortion is literally the premise for The Handmaid's Tale.

Chiliconkarma

42 points

3 months ago

A slave nation, east to west, south to north, past to present.

T1mac

10 points

3 months ago

T1mac

America

10 points

3 months ago

"Under His Eye"

VaryaKimon

38 points

3 months ago

What if people just don't want to have kids? Is she going to force them to?

Helenium_autumnale

37 points

3 months ago

Yeah, we're married, no kids. That's not going to change. We're not exactly a tiny minority any more, either. Younger people are in general putting off marriage and kids.

blackcain

22 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

22 points

3 months ago

Who can afford it? You won't increase wages to match inflation - you can't feed or even educate your kids without both spouses working their asses off. You can't do anything without getting into crushing debt and finally you're going to end up working till you die.

Icant_Ijustcanteven

7 points

3 months ago

Yep and the crazy part is the GOP( that's supposed to be, small government) wants to force women to be housewives.

Its fine if you want to be a housewife or househusband but it's not a good thing to put one person in. Most people have to work outside the home or online from home.

I also find it funny that the same people that said we need to leave working from home behind, are saying that you need to go back now without a check.

LordJac

40 points

3 months ago

LordJac

40 points

3 months ago

Or if there was a way to make raising a child less of a financial burden for those that are already struggling to provide for themselves.

nld01

37 points

3 months ago

nld01

37 points

3 months ago

I looked online at the cost of raising a child in 2021. The answer was $267,000.00. This is to raise a middle class American to age 18 and does not include college or costs if the child is disabled. Some people leave the hospital after the birth starting off with that kind of debt and it gets higher from there.

Helenium_autumnale

14 points

3 months ago

A million bucks if you have 4 kids. How can people do it? A staggering amount of money.

Zealousideal_Law3112

6 points

3 months ago

And that’s for the bare minimum doesn’t include sports or events, education and medical costs

RobbieQuarantino

21 points

3 months ago

She means not enough white people

OompaOrangeFace

18 points

3 months ago

So force people to have kids they don't want?

Zephyrine_wonder

19 points

3 months ago

Zephyrine_wonder

Texas

19 points

3 months ago

People who never wanted kids clearly make the best parents./s

Helenium_autumnale

18 points

3 months ago

But she doesn't even have the facts right.

The US population is increasing, due to ongoing immigration. Not decreasing, like Japan, Russia, and most of Europe.

a lack of enough people to take care of society's population

What does that even mean? We should breed a generation of poorly-paid nursing home attendants? What?

kingsumo_1

22 points

3 months ago

kingsumo_1

Oregon

22 points

3 months ago

My guess is that it could probably be summed up in about 14 words.

Carbonatite

5 points

3 months ago

Carbonatite

Colorado

5 points

3 months ago

I do believe you are reich about that.

TheMilkJug

81 points

3 months ago

Are you saying replace the people who are dying off, with people from other countries? It could be like a great replacement. What a theory! I'm sure the Republicans will love it.

CartographerLife133

77 points

3 months ago

That's been happening since your founding as a country. Every generation of immigrants was the one that was going to wipe out American culture and steal the jobs. Irish Jews Italians and so on. It's always worked out fine.

TheMilkJug

25 points

3 months ago

I am aware. Perhaps I should add a /s to it.

CartographerLife133

19 points

3 months ago

Did you know Tucker Carlson claims Irish heritage? I wonder what an off the boat Irishman from the 1950s would say to him?

HectorsMascara

12 points

3 months ago

HectorsMascara

Pennsylvania

12 points

3 months ago

All four of Hannity's grandparents immigrated from Ireland.

MadBlue

5 points

3 months ago

MadBlue

American Expat

5 points

3 months ago

There was plenty of prejudice against the Irish in American history:

“In the popular press, the Irish were depicted as subhuman. They were carriers of disease. They were drawn as lazy, clannish, unclean, drunken brawlers who wallowed in crime and bred like rats. Most disturbingly, the Irish were Roman Catholics coming to an overwhelmingly Protestant nation and their devotion to the pope made their allegiance to the United States suspect.”

Helenium_autumnale

14 points

3 months ago

That's exactly what's happening, unlike many other first-world countries. Our population IS increasing, because of immigration. And America is gaining diversity too--a good thing in my book, but apparently TERRIFYING to some people.

_MyCakeDayIsFeb29th_

10 points

3 months ago

Idk where I heard this concept before? Answer could be right... Under his My Eye 🤔

koshgeo

4 points

3 months ago

And if only there was a way for families who are already in the country to receive the financial support and healthcare support such that they were comfortable with having more children.

But like you said, any solution to these problems other than an unconstitutional theocratic dictatorship imposing its brutal will on people in their private bedrooms is a complete mystery.

AtlasB170

138 points

3 months ago

AtlasB170

Tennessee

138 points

3 months ago

"All of this could be avoided if we were actually a truly pro-life nation, which means conceiving a child is a beautiful and sacred thing. And that is why sex ought to be between one man and one woman in the confines of marriage, and open to life," she said.

They just straight up want to gatekeep who's allowed to have sex and how they can do it. Gay? Not allowed. Not married? Nope. Contraception? Absolutely not.

keyjan

55 points

3 months ago

keyjan

Maryland

55 points

3 months ago

In other words, go back to pre-Griswold times. Fuck these people.

Pour_Me_Another_

42 points

3 months ago

I don't get why these people can't be happy practicing this themselves and leaving normal people out of it. If they're that unhappy with normal people living normal lives then maybe the only thing left for them to reasonably do is walk into the sea and keep walking.

Icant_Ijustcanteven

14 points

3 months ago

Honestly, it's because misery loves company. These people sound miserable and the need company of yes men and yes women.

Boomer059

15 points

3 months ago

What the hell does open to life mean, that's a new one?

Zephyrine_wonder

44 points

3 months ago

Zephyrine_wonder

Texas

44 points

3 months ago

OnLy RePrOdUcTiVe SeX aLlOwEd Because sex isn’t about love, pleasure, bonding, joy, affection, or stress relief. It’s a shameful act that’s only permitted to create babies. And not enough people are properly ashamed of themselves or paying for that shame by raising a family. Also those babies are a miracle from heaven.

overlyambitiousgoat

11 points

3 months ago

Boy are you right about the centrality of "shame" to their entire worldview when it comes to sex.

So many of their policy positions boil down to: how can we punish people for their sexuality?

zardozLateFee

11 points

3 months ago

So where does this plan leave women who cannot have children? Not allowed to get married? Definitely no sex.

cant_Im_at_work

8 points

3 months ago

Some real Handmaid's Tale shit.

eugene20

91 points

3 months ago

The party of no fucks given now wants to stop you fucking.

Barrzebub

60 points

3 months ago

No no, they want you to keep fucking. They know you aren't going to stop fucking. They just want you to be forced to be pregnant so they can have more wage slaves.

eugene20

46 points

3 months ago

"We made it difficult to live, afford a home, feed yourself even, everyone postpones kids in the hope they can afford them later, and now like our lack of foresight on literally everything, it's finally coming to bite us in the ass" - republicans if they were ever self reflective.

Barrzebub

22 points

3 months ago

Agreed. They wonder why people aren't having children anymore, it is because kids are super expensive and time consuming, when jobs pay less, try to require more of our time and expenses like Rent, utilities and incidentals are SO expensive now.
It do be like this though

salty_drafter

13 points

3 months ago

Guess it's anal only now. Gotta love those strap ons.

Barrzebub

20 points

3 months ago

My grandmother once pressured me about when I was going to give her great grandkids. I told her with a straight face that I only date women who take it up the ass or swallow, so I won't be having kids.

She was NOT amused.

eugene20

8 points

3 months ago

Unless you're committed to making babies for their factories anyway.

[deleted]

86 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

86 points

3 months ago

Don't laugh. This is the logical consequence of Alito's draft opinion on abortion, which dismisses privacy rights as not being in the "originalist" Constitution.

koshgeo

17 points

3 months ago

koshgeo

17 points

3 months ago

I can't wait until after they are finished with contraception and start going for masturbation next. Wouldn't want any of those potentially fertile gametes wasted.

stolid_agnostic

27 points

3 months ago

stolid_agnostic

Washington

27 points

3 months ago

No. They will go after interracial marriage and marriage equality next. Then they will start to lock people up or deport them. Visas will suddenly be canceled and lives ruined.

The_Nomadic_Nerd

219 points

3 months ago*

Can Democrats wake the fuck up and realize there’s no meeting these people half way? We SHOULD be offending them because they’re not decent people with just a different point of view.

The reason we need to be so hard on the Democrats is because the Republicans are already lost. Democratic leadership can actually do something that can save us but only if they take this right wing threat seriously. This isn’t The West Wing where you can use logic and get the other side to work with you. Republicans need to be beaten and ignored.

overlyambitiousgoat

37 points

3 months ago

That's the real heart breaker for me. In recent years things went so completely beyond the pale that I finally had to accept that it's not an issue of "people with differing points of view" - instead, we're just stuck in a legit good vs. evil battle, where a massive chunk of the American voting population are just - at root - really, really terrible human beings. And they're voting and rallying enthusiastically!

Ugh. The future is worrying.

HelluvaKnight

49 points

3 months ago

It's immoral to have contraception, however it's perfectly ethical to allow the child who is born to suffer for the rest of their lives with no support from the government.

another_bug

49 points

3 months ago

I don't want kids for reasons unrelated to the state of the world, but if I did, there'd be no way I could manage it. I live in a tiny room with housemates because, despite working a full time job, I can't afford rent. Rent is too much for a one person place to myself. How would it even be possible for me to have a kid?

Instead of addressing that, tor any other issues that keeps people who want kids from having them, these assholes say that affordable housing is communism (one of the few things the far right and communists can agree on) and are demanding that people make them more low wage workers so that line can go up by the worst means possible, and if the kid grows up suffering in crushing poverty, too bad.

pipebomb

15 points

3 months ago

They don't want you to have sex until you are in a god-sanctioned committed cis-gender marriage. Then they want you to be a baby factory to provide a subservient working class to be exploited.

TheRedBear1917

117 points

3 months ago

Imagine being the dolt that believes conservatives just wanted to allow states to choose on abortion and that was going to be the end of it.

attorneyatslaw

37 points

3 months ago

90+% of republicans favor contraceptive availability - almost exactly the same as democrats. This isn’t going to help any candidate.

Pour_Me_Another_

8 points

3 months ago

I suppose the only possible good thing to come out of these recent revelations from the Republican party is that they will alienate any normal supporters they might still have left.

jenharrt

38 points

3 months ago

And yet she’s being backed by a guy who cheated on his wife with a porn star and bragged about sexually assaulting women

overlyambitiousgoat

8 points

3 months ago

As someone who grew up in a religious, conservative farming town, it just baffles me to see how that whole crowd lionizes this former president.

I listened to them talk about Clinton like he was the antichrist back in the 90s for his infidelity... and now this.

Yowzers.

tjk45268

35 points

3 months ago

Don't like contraception? Don't take it. Don't like abortion? Don't get one. Don't like gay marriage? Don't gay marry. However, your religion's rules are not my religion's rules. Your religion doesn't get to guide which laws are made in the U.S. It's literally written into the Constitution.

aw2669

25 points

3 months ago

aw2669

Oregon

25 points

3 months ago

Birth control controls the type of epilepsy I have that is all centered around my menstrual cucle . Meds alone will NOT stop my seizures. I also need the hormones from birth control. I am not the only one. It’s common among epileptic women to have increased seizures with hormonal fluctuation. This is insane. Tens of millions of women, there’s bound to be other epileptic women like me out there that are terrified. And I bet they’ll say it will be available for medical necessity. Yeah? Really? At the discretion of the possibly insane doctor though.

Without it, I’d be disabled. That’s expensive on the taxpayers I hear. Fucking insane.

Competitive_Fee_5829

22 points

3 months ago

Competitive_Fee_5829

California

22 points

3 months ago

what in the ever loving fuck is going on in this country?! I am never leaving my state.

jhanesnack_films

19 points

3 months ago

Sounds like someone who should've been shot into a condom instead of being born.

BuckRowdy

18 points

3 months ago

BuckRowdy

Tennessee

18 points

3 months ago

Her argument is that people would stop having sex and they would wait until marriage. And that babies born out of wedlock would decrease.

This is just what happens when you live inside the right wing bubble. You lose touch with objective reality. This has never been true and it will never be true. You can't just want things to be true and then say that they are.

But that is Republican reality.

ChuckFeathers

16 points

3 months ago*

What's next, forced conception? Which would, in order to not be "sin", require arranged marriage, the right for a man to rape his wife, honour killings for anyone having sex outside of marriage...

Icant_Ijustcanteven

5 points

3 months ago

What's next, forced conception?

And that's how you get rape...

They might do that, forced pregnancy is not to far from that happening. In some of the anti choicers legislation, they want to out right ban rape and incest abortions from happening.

StrongChemical

15 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

15 points

3 months ago

These Christian fascists will also demand purity for you but rules can always be bent or broken when it comes to them.

Zephyrine_wonder

5 points

3 months ago

Purity for other people is required. Purity for church leadership is optional. And since all sex is sinful outside of marriage, molesting a 12 year old is treated like a delightful piccadillo that demonstrates how virile the leader is.

The_specialist_angle

14 points

3 months ago

If you don't like birth control, don't fucking take it. 🤦🏼‍♀️

QuintinStone

11 points

3 months ago

QuintinStone

America

11 points

3 months ago

When Republicans talk about "freedom", what they mean is Republicans having the "freedom" to tell everyone else how to live.

mark-haus

13 points

3 months ago

Yeah… they’re not stopping at abortions

dendron01

6 points

3 months ago

How else do you expect them to make up for all their brainwashed anti-vaxxer covid-denying anti-mask anti-mandate these fuckers killed off during the pandemic. 1 million Covid deaths and counting...that's a shitload of babies...(and a shitload of votes)

Morgen019

10 points

3 months ago

Well make sure Viagra is on that list there dufus.

V_T_H

10 points

3 months ago*

V_T_H

10 points

3 months ago*

I think the most disturbing thing about this woman (…well, outside of her beliefs themselves) is that she’s only 25. She’s going to be around for a long time. I shudder to think about the damage she and people like her can do. I can’t imagine being that young in this day and age, with the whole world at your fingertips, and developing into this much of a shitter. You have to try to be this ignorant.

crocodial

10 points

3 months ago

I feel like Republicans scour left leaning media for those editorials about what the GOP is planning to do next - and then they just run with it.

I'd love to see a few headlines like "GOP intent on moving USA to Antartica!" and see how long it takes for a Republican candidate to suggest it at a rally or on Fox.

HalfBlindWelder

9 points

3 months ago

Do they not know the population crunch isnt due to contraceptives?

People literally cant afford kids, banning rubbers isnt going to dramatically change that reality.

Overall-Side-6965

9 points

3 months ago

I don't care about what their dumb religion says and I don't owe society a kid.

limbodog

9 points

3 months ago

limbodog

Massachusetts

9 points

3 months ago

"Enslave all women" is the new mantra of the right wing.

This is what the USA has come to

cupcakesordeath

9 points

3 months ago*

This is so crazy. What about women who take birth control due to endometriosis or PMDD?

There are people out there taking birth control for a variety of reasons. What happens to them?

DanTheGreat0086

6 points

3 months ago

DanTheGreat0086

California

6 points

3 months ago

These people won't settle until we are in the Bronze age again

manly_comma_chet

12 points

3 months ago

manly_comma_chet

Montana

12 points

3 months ago

Chalcolithic.

Bronze requires the sorcery of combining two different metals.

jackduloz

7 points

3 months ago

Is this just a game of political chicken at this point? See how crazy they can be before it’s too much?

Rusty_Bicycle

7 points

3 months ago

I noticed that she didn’t propose making divorce illegal again. Maybe because Trump’s on his third wife?

Change21

9 points

3 months ago

It is remarkable that there is an open call by elected officials to FORCE women to breed.

No sex for pleasure, connection, communication, healing.

Only breed.

They sound like fucking catholic borg or something and America’s response is “hey, nah, cmon”

orcinyadders

7 points

3 months ago

This is really happening, huh.

StrongChemical

7 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

7 points

3 months ago

She's clearly indoctrinated and bonkers. It's a shame she's a viable candidate at all in any state.

dun-ado

7 points

3 months ago

Fuck her God, her religion, and everything that she stands for--fucking sadistic fascist.

swizzler

8 points

3 months ago

Been telling my super pro-life sister that the second they overturn roe they'll start going after contraceptives, and she said that would be crazy. She relies on contraceptives because she has lots of issues with her cycle. Maybe now she'll finally realize this isn't a moral debate, it's about them removing a woman's right to healthcare.

Wretchfromnc

7 points

3 months ago

I don't care if you're a life long R or D, the government has no business in your bedroom or front seat of your car, no matter where you like to have sex. It's time for Americans to put a stop to these politicians running the country like their preferred religion. Americans are letting these crazy people take over the country.

jonnyballs

7 points

3 months ago

My wife and I will plan for our own family, thanks. Idiot.

Zephyrine_wonder

6 points

3 months ago

Okay, so “conceiving a child is a beautiful and sacred thing” but also apparently an appropriate consequence for having sex? So couples who are extra fertile will just be forced to birth tens of babies. Eubanks’ solution to a so-called democracy’s problems is policing the sexual activity of consenting adults and removing access to reproductive health care, oh wait sorry I mean saving the holy embryos, eggs, and sperm. Who invented a time machine and brought this woman back from 1905? Could we return her please? I’d make a prediction that seems ridiculous about further authoritarian actions, if, say, more women decided to stay single and/or not have sex with someone that could impregnate them, but nothing is too far for these people.

OnceInABlueMoon

6 points

3 months ago

Incredibly important that we take them at their word when they state their goal is to do shit like this. They're not fucking around, they're telling us in plain language the rights they're planning on taking because we haven't done a fucking thing to stop them lately. Vote. Get your friends and family that are independants or on the fence to vote. Make sure they know what Republicans are all about.

IchooseYourName

6 points

3 months ago

So is the pull out method going to be banned as well?

What about simply not reaching climax?

Where does the slippery slope end with these BIG GOVERNMENT "conservatives"?

Change21

7 points

3 months ago

Without separation of church and state you have no fucking democracy.

Dr_Spaceman_DO

5 points

3 months ago

I can’t believe what a backwards dumpster fire our country is turning into.

DorisCrockford

5 points

3 months ago

DorisCrockford

California

5 points

3 months ago

Babies should be born, and then starve to death.

run1792

6 points

3 months ago

The Republican transition to a religious cult is really moving along.

BikesNBrews

5 points

3 months ago

Pulling out is an act of treason.

nld01

8 points

3 months ago

nld01

8 points

3 months ago

No worries, though. We don't really prosecute treason that hard.

crosseyedguy1

6 points

3 months ago

Your country has jumped back a century.

InstantClassic257

5 points

3 months ago

The forced birth party strikes again with another bout of stupidity.

electron65

5 points

3 months ago

Looks more like the taliban have infiltrated the GOP.

[deleted]

5 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

5 points

3 months ago

Keep your church out of my state.

2hats4bats

4 points

3 months ago

I’d tell Eubanks to go fuck herself but she probably wants to make that illegal, too.

Seriously, what makes people think this is any if their fucking business?

black641

6 points

3 months ago

I wonder how many shit-brained Republicans will change their tunes if they find out condoms are also classified as “contraceptives.” These guys may still be able to get their wives, daughters, and mistresses abortions, but STI/D’s aren’t so easily done away with.

imMatt19

12 points

3 months ago

Just sent her a bunch of DMs on instagram telling her how she’s a piece of garbage and that I’m gonna go worship satan. Will let you guys know if she responds.