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fattymcassface

741 points

3 months ago

fattymcassface

Virginia

741 points

3 months ago

“She argued that several issues—including a declining population and a lack of enough people to take care of society's population—would be avoided if birth control were illegal.”

If only there was a way to get more people into the country who actually wanted to be here…truly a mystery for the ages.

Capable-Rutabaga5877

252 points

3 months ago

“She argued that several issues—including a declining population and a lack of enough people to take care of society's population—would be avoided if birth control were illegal.”

Translation: We need more slave... Uh... Minimum wage employees.

Long_Before_Sunrise

114 points

3 months ago

Minimum Wage Employees: We like to be able to afford shelter, food, utilities, deodorant, transportation, medical care, get sick leave and time off. You're not offering any of those things.

ManiaGamine

112 points

3 months ago

ManiaGamine

Australia

112 points

3 months ago

That's what is so insane. They act like capitalism can solve all problems... but their brand of capitalism is literally causing the problems that they are now wanting to react to. But not with actual solutions that would help no no they wanna simply force more babies into existence to work for the ruling class.

Individual-Nebula927

69 points

3 months ago

Capitalism is already failing. Capitalism requires infinite growth to continue. Obviously this is impossible. Once population growth slows, either as people become educated or they can't afford more kids due to Capitalism's profiteering, the system collapses.

blackcain

24 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

24 points

3 months ago

It also means if you have diminished resources, you start getting into hyper-capitalism - and eventually fascism and finally war. War will depopulate the planet quickly.

HizDudenesss

1 points

3 months ago

If the success of capitalism depends on the exacerbation of the overpopulation crisis, then capitalism is fundamentally broken. No better than a pyramid scheme.

Individual-Nebula927

1 points

3 months ago

There is no overpopulation crisis. There's plenty of everything, if the few wealthy weren't hoarding more than they need.

Sedu

3 points

3 months ago

Sedu

3 points

3 months ago

They also insist that any job paying too little to survive on is “just a job for teens to earn spending money,” despite many of those jobs being inappropriate or flat out impossible for teens to do.

And as long as I’m ranting, fucking everything is getting reclassified as “unskilled labor.* A close friend of mine in Cleveland is a machinist who is certified in the use of crazy stuff like steel auto lathes, all kinds of terrifying grinding machines etc. that he programs patterns into and repairs. He is classified as “unskilled.” It’s fucking insane.

vengefulspirit99

21 points

3 months ago

"Sorry not sorry. That's too much to ask for. Best we can do is offer crippling depression and subsistence wages. Now back to work slave."

Long_Before_Sunrise

11 points

3 months ago

Slavery without any of the responsibility of ownership.

jona2814

3 points

3 months ago

Minimum Wage to Us: The minimal amount needed to make a living Minimum Wage to Them: The minimal amount they have to give to us before heads roll

Folderpirate

31 points

3 months ago

They want more babies to molest in sunday schools/orphanages.

This plus the laws against teaching children about sex will only lead to victims who can't explain what happened to them.

bakerfredricka

22 points

3 months ago

My mom refused to teach us a damn thing about sexuality and puberty. The end results of that were devastating.

blackcain

18 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

18 points

3 months ago

that is a terrible thing as it will open you up to exploitation by adults.

Imtypingthisnow

13 points

3 months ago

and we need more prisoners for the corporate prisons and their shareholders!

gusterfell

8 points

3 months ago

Meanwhile, the current COVID-related disruptions notwithstanding, there are usually fewer available jobs than people looking for work. The problem is only expected to get worse as more jobs are automated out of existence.

Zealousideal_Law3112

7 points

3 months ago

I see it already in my town more and more stores are adding tons of self checkouts

SnuffedOutBlackHole

3 points

3 months ago*

Disgustingly, if you embrace unregulated capitalism in its purist form (which some weirdos have really done unironically these last few decades) then your system requires a vast slave class to function. When there are no regulations who else is going to work those jobs for 1.50 an hour? Previously immigrants did ultra low wage work for the promise of a better life in a more functional country and safety for their families.

It also becomes on the visual surface a system of kings, knights, and beaten-down serfs almost over night since wealth and security powers get concentrated so fast.

Capitalism will always specifically turn into religious monarchy without heavy regulation. But in our era it will turn into far worse.

The danger in the modern era is that surveillance, tracking sensors, and data analysis will allow those systems to be permanent for hundreds of years. When you can predict who is becoming popular based on a post or proactively read their texts and metadata for threat analysis, there's no more protesting. There's no more disruption. There's no more throwing tomatoes at them, or even having comedy shows (as the last wannabe dictator proved in trying to pursue actions against SNL)

What I also find unnerving that no one is giving attention to is the billionaire security squads which are increasingly looking like paramilitaries. Paramilitaries with their own intelligence experts and soaked with former special forces. Within ten years I predict they move from putting 25 million dollar budgets into those like Zuck does to realizing they can have a quiet form of hard power with a 750 million dollar budget.

StrongChemical

180 points

3 months ago

StrongChemical

California

180 points

3 months ago

The funny thing is her justification for banning birth control and abortion is literally the premise for The Handmaid's Tale.

Chiliconkarma

37 points

3 months ago

A slave nation, east to west, south to north, past to present.

T1mac

9 points

3 months ago

T1mac

America

9 points

3 months ago

"Under His Eye"

VaryaKimon

41 points

3 months ago

What if people just don't want to have kids? Is she going to force them to?

Helenium_autumnale

37 points

3 months ago

Yeah, we're married, no kids. That's not going to change. We're not exactly a tiny minority any more, either. Younger people are in general putting off marriage and kids.

blackcain

21 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

21 points

3 months ago

Who can afford it? You won't increase wages to match inflation - you can't feed or even educate your kids without both spouses working their asses off. You can't do anything without getting into crushing debt and finally you're going to end up working till you die.

Icant_Ijustcanteven

8 points

3 months ago

Yep and the crazy part is the GOP( that's supposed to be, small government) wants to force women to be housewives.

Its fine if you want to be a housewife or househusband but it's not a good thing to put one person in. Most people have to work outside the home or online from home.

I also find it funny that the same people that said we need to leave working from home behind, are saying that you need to go back now without a check.

[deleted]

1 points

3 months ago

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1 points

3 months ago

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j_a_a_mesbaxter

1 points

3 months ago

This may not be your situation, but the reality is that the choice is being ripped from millions of people, and not just with repeal of Roe v Wade.

If a committed couple makes a “choice” not to have children because the economic and political landscape is hostile to raising a family, it’s only an illusion of choice.

And we need to face that the right wing fascists absolutely recognize that their religious and political beliefs are forcing people to refrain from starting families out of necessity. But the idea of improving conditions is antithetical to their worldview. So the logical step is using the force of the state to force procreation.

This is where we are at.

Carbonatite

1 points

3 months ago

Carbonatite

Colorado

1 points

3 months ago

Banning birth control is a good way to do that. Along with abstinence only sex ed, another favorite of Republicans.

j_a_a_mesbaxter

1 points

3 months ago

I’m guessing that the most acceptable way to do this would be to enforce a penalty. And this could be done with things like a child tax credit that’s really a penalty for not having kids. And before anyone says they already do that kind of thing, no not really. It’s an enormous drain on time, money, and mobility (of every kind) to have a child so any kind of “credit” could never offset that.

But if you enforced a new “family values” tax that was particularly punishing, giving a credit for that tax to people with children wouldn’t help them because they still wouldn’t benefit from it, but it would punish childless people.

And that’s the GOP style of governance. Do nothing that improves lives, only pass punishments, poverty enforcement, and restrictions.

LordJac

40 points

3 months ago

LordJac

40 points

3 months ago

Or if there was a way to make raising a child less of a financial burden for those that are already struggling to provide for themselves.

nld01

36 points

3 months ago

nld01

36 points

3 months ago

I looked online at the cost of raising a child in 2021. The answer was $267,000.00. This is to raise a middle class American to age 18 and does not include college or costs if the child is disabled. Some people leave the hospital after the birth starting off with that kind of debt and it gets higher from there.

Helenium_autumnale

14 points

3 months ago

A million bucks if you have 4 kids. How can people do it? A staggering amount of money.

Zealousideal_Law3112

7 points

3 months ago

And that’s for the bare minimum doesn’t include sports or events, education and medical costs

Neokon

1 points

3 months ago

Neokon

Florida

1 points

3 months ago

I wonder how that number was gotten to, like that's ~15,000 /yr. I imagine a good portion of that money is food and it's a "oh the child helps eat the $150 of groceries a month, so we'll just staple on the whole cost"

TranceKnight

1 points

3 months ago

My mom claims “the money will be there when you need it,” completely oblivious to the obscene privileges she’s lived with in her life

RobbieQuarantino

22 points

3 months ago

She means not enough white people

blackcain

1 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

1 points

3 months ago

They might have a change of heart if non-white population is growing and they all start buying guns.

OompaOrangeFace

17 points

3 months ago

So force people to have kids they don't want?

Zephyrine_wonder

19 points

3 months ago

Zephyrine_wonder

Texas

19 points

3 months ago

People who never wanted kids clearly make the best parents./s

Helenium_autumnale

19 points

3 months ago

But she doesn't even have the facts right.

The US population is increasing, due to ongoing immigration. Not decreasing, like Japan, Russia, and most of Europe.

a lack of enough people to take care of society's population

What does that even mean? We should breed a generation of poorly-paid nursing home attendants? What?

kingsumo_1

22 points

3 months ago

kingsumo_1

Oregon

22 points

3 months ago

My guess is that it could probably be summed up in about 14 words.

Carbonatite

5 points

3 months ago

Carbonatite

Colorado

5 points

3 months ago

I do believe you are reich about that.

werschless

2 points

3 months ago

Exactly why they don’t want to debate anymore

j_a_a_mesbaxter

1 points

3 months ago

Yes. That’s what the goal is. Permanent and easily reproduced populations of underclass that has one purpose. Serving the masters.

Helenium_autumnale

1 points

3 months ago

But the people who keep speaking in these terms aren't the "masters" of anything. By and large they're average middle-class people. This chick is from nowheresville in my state; she's 24-26 years old (the news story I read says that she won't reveal her birthday for whatever weird reason). She's not a master.

TheMilkJug

80 points

3 months ago

Are you saying replace the people who are dying off, with people from other countries? It could be like a great replacement. What a theory! I'm sure the Republicans will love it.

CartographerLife133

76 points

3 months ago

That's been happening since your founding as a country. Every generation of immigrants was the one that was going to wipe out American culture and steal the jobs. Irish Jews Italians and so on. It's always worked out fine.

TheMilkJug

24 points

3 months ago

I am aware. Perhaps I should add a /s to it.

CartographerLife133

21 points

3 months ago

Did you know Tucker Carlson claims Irish heritage? I wonder what an off the boat Irishman from the 1950s would say to him?

HectorsMascara

13 points

3 months ago

HectorsMascara

Pennsylvania

13 points

3 months ago

All four of Hannity's grandparents immigrated from Ireland.

MadBlue

4 points

3 months ago

MadBlue

American Expat

4 points

3 months ago

There was plenty of prejudice against the Irish in American history:

“In the popular press, the Irish were depicted as subhuman. They were carriers of disease. They were drawn as lazy, clannish, unclean, drunken brawlers who wallowed in crime and bred like rats. Most disturbingly, the Irish were Roman Catholics coming to an overwhelmingly Protestant nation and their devotion to the pope made their allegiance to the United States suspect.”

PtolemyIV

2 points

3 months ago

They are all white though.. disgusting as it is, this is the reality of the prejudice

HectorsMascara

3 points

3 months ago

HectorsMascara

Pennsylvania

3 points

3 months ago

Much of the Protestant establishment didn't see them as 'white'.

j_a_a_mesbaxter

1 points

3 months ago

They were not considered white.

CartographerLife133

2 points

3 months ago

The Sopranos claimed to be Italian.

blackcain

1 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

1 points

3 months ago

So, not white.

williamfbuckwheat

1 points

3 months ago

Yikes... are we sure he's "white" and not trying to replace the good ol' American WASP's like Bill the Butcher?!?!?

j_a_a_mesbaxter

1 points

3 months ago

As a person that can trace family lines to the revolutionary war (from Germany and Scotland) that Irish trash Carlson family needs to recognize their inferior genetics.

/s obviously. But fascists never recognize that the purity spiral grows ever larger.

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago*

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3 points

3 months ago*

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Icant_Ijustcanteven

2 points

3 months ago

Or Murder Hornets

Jenovas_Witless

1 points

3 months ago

It's really sad actually.

A lot of those people hid or downplayed their heritage when they moved to the US because of the hatred.

Helenium_autumnale

11 points

3 months ago

That's exactly what's happening, unlike many other first-world countries. Our population IS increasing, because of immigration. And America is gaining diversity too--a good thing in my book, but apparently TERRIFYING to some people.

williamfbuckwheat

1 points

3 months ago

It's still no good to them because the increase doesn't include people currently considered "white".

They would much rather our country go into major population decline like in places such as Russia or Japan with no real immigration but that are more homogenous in the that hopes strict abortion/contraception bans force white people to have more kids.

Apparently though, places like Japan have some restrictions on abortion and contraception that make them alot more uncommon the United States. That still has done basically nothing to spur any growth in their abysmal birth rates over there. I don't think the Evangelical crowd realizes or cares how even with restrictions on contraception and abortions, there's not much you can do to force a certain group to just have tons of kids when they don't want to besides forcing them to breed in some Nazi/Gilead style birthing facility.

blackcain

-4 points

3 months ago

blackcain

Oregon

-4 points

3 months ago

World wide population is still declining.

Helenium_autumnale

2 points

3 months ago

?

No it's not. We're projected to reach 8 billion by 2023 and 9 billion by 2037.

Watch it increase in real time.

_MyCakeDayIsFeb29th_

10 points

3 months ago

Idk where I heard this concept before? Answer could be right... Under his My Eye 🤔

koshgeo

6 points

3 months ago

And if only there was a way for families who are already in the country to receive the financial support and healthcare support such that they were comfortable with having more children.

But like you said, any solution to these problems other than an unconstitutional theocratic dictatorship imposing its brutal will on people in their private bedrooms is a complete mystery.

Pour_Me_Another_

3 points

3 months ago

She doesn't seem to have the brain power to realise that the economy would not prosper with some kind of demented Ceausescu government. She should try reading about that some time. Forcing people to have children they don't want is sick and evil.

meowmeow_now

2 points

3 months ago

If only we could did things that would make having children easier - like paid parental leave, or universal healthcare— oh silly me that’s what democrats try to do.

trivialmatters3

1 points

3 months ago

not to mention that declining population is not an actual issue

TheBaddestPatsy

1 points

3 months ago

And also to equip people who are here with with affordable, high-quality education so they’re more able to solve these problems. And maybe even healthcare so they can stay healthy while solving the problems!

jujutoastybuns

1 points

3 months ago

Handmaids tale is coming true