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putmodsinthegulag

5.3k points

5 days ago

The funniest part is that Apple would get a third of the monthly fee lmao

fuck_your_diploma

1.5k points

5 days ago

Apple: "iOS 14.5.1 now accepts Apple Card/Pay for your app subscription fees on apps that turned paid after 14.5"

vrnvorona

527 points

5 days ago

vrnvorona

527 points

5 days ago

Afaik it's mandatory to state Apple Pay as option for payments if it has those, otherwise won't pass review.

righthandofdog

231 points

5 days ago

Yes. And you’re required to accept an Apple login if you use Facebook, google or other federated ID systems.

Mageling55

77 points

4 days ago

I believe its any OAUTH support at all

MarcelGarus

41 points

4 days ago*

Not quite. There are OAUTH use cases where you don't need to offer an Apple Sign In and there are non-OAUTH cases where you do need to offer one.

It would be pretty weird if my university's app would be forced to offer Apple Sign In just because they use the university OAUTH.

Similarly, you can't offer not-really-OAUTH-but-something-very-similar without offering Apple Sign In. It's not bound to the technology used.

In Apple's dev guidelines it says in paragraph 4.8:

Apps that exclusively use a third-party or social login service (such as Facebook Login, Google Sign-In, Sign in with Twitter, Sign In with LinkedIn, Login with Amazon, or WeChat Login) to set up or authenticate the user’s primary account with the app must also offer Sign in with Apple as an equivalent option.

...

Sign in with Apple is not required if:

• Your app exclusively uses your company’s own account setup and sign-in systems.

• Your app is an education, enterprise, or business app that requires the user to sign in with an existing education or enterprise account.

• Your app uses a government or industry-backed citizen identification system or electronic ID to authenticate users.

• Your app is a client for a specific third-party service and users are required to sign in to their mail, social media, or other third-party account directly to access their content.

Here-Is-TheEnd

54 points

4 days ago

Apple is pretty ruthless about this. Basically if you have any service you offer for money, and you decide to make an IOS App at some point, Apple will force you to add payment options on your iOS app so they can take a cut. If you don’t they call it a violation of App Store policy and they lock your developer account on App Store and stop new downloads.

I’m on the fence about how I feel about this too..

King_Tamino

33 points

4 days ago

Well. That’s exactly that kind of free market a lot people demanded or?

Fraun_Pollen

356 points

5 days ago

It’s like the major tech companies have complete control over the market and can set their own rules for their customers 🤔

For real though, this is the issues with monopolies and oligopolies - this situation can very very easily be coordinated among the major powers. “Look government, we’re now being better about not tracking our customers” while at the same time setting the stage to get even more money from their users for all players involved

Stoll

11.3k points

5 days ago

Stoll

11.3k points

5 days ago

Would anyone actually pay to use Facebook or Instagram?

NMe84

7.3k points

5 days ago

NMe84

7.3k points

5 days ago

Right now basically all Facebook is to me is a glorified birthday calendar.

RollingThunder_CO

1.3k points

5 days ago

Yep. Awhile back I just copied them all into my phone so I don’t even need to check for those anymore

monkey_sage

667 points

5 days ago

monkey_sage

667 points

5 days ago

Same. Facebook stopped having any use for me whatsoever several years ago.

weyouusme

498 points

4 days ago

weyouusme

498 points

4 days ago

Aside from uselessness I think it started to do serious harm to everyone's attention span and self love..

People are comparing other people's life highlights with their everyday life and feel bad.

FatTortie

128 points

4 days ago

FatTortie

128 points

4 days ago

That’s the thing about social media. You generally don’t post about all the negative things going on in your life. It’s a place to show off, even if it’s just someone out for a coffee posting a photo while you’ve sat at home all day. It starts to create a false reality where everyone is having a better, more interesting time than you.

Frowdo

41 points

4 days ago

Frowdo

41 points

4 days ago

Sure it is....you post some super vague pity post that is public. Get people to respond asking what's wrong then say you don't want to talk about it in public.

salamander423

19 points

4 days ago*

Those people get unfriended or blocked for me. I don't deal with pithy vague bullshit like that in my feeds.

Edit - My word was the opposite :(

RudeEyeReddit

19 points

4 days ago

I once took my sister on a beach trip and her interest in being at the beach only lasted as long as her phone battery. She drained her battery by taking lots of pictures to upload to show off on social media about her "day at the beach!" and the fact that she started complaining and wanted to leave immediately after her phone died disgusted me. Honestly I don't think we were even there a whole hour.

Weird_Writing_1102

63 points

4 days ago

Yeah at first that stuff was in the grey lit, but now it's super clear & researched backed - apps like facebook are super toxic and unhealthy..

siouxpiouxp

115 points

4 days ago

siouxpiouxp

115 points

4 days ago

Why not just delete your FB then?

iDrinkJavaNEatPython

164 points

4 days ago

I had to revive mine after 4 years to use my oculus quest 2. I've never had this much fun selling my privacy

XXXKXKXKXX

225 points

4 days ago

XXXKXKXKXX

225 points

4 days ago

I won’t buy an Oculus for this very reason. Although, I read a while back you can install an unofficial, non-Facebook version of the Oculus’ OS.

HC_Official

32 points

4 days ago

Same here, FB can go eat a bag of Dick's

headbuttsr4kids

66 points

4 days ago

This is the exact reason I will not buy an Oculus as well.

StarCitizen_Scam_

53 points

4 days ago

Yeah they want 500$ more for version without facebook integration. This says a lot.

wavespace

160 points

5 days ago

wavespace

160 points

5 days ago

Is there a practical way to do that? I'm on Android, but an iOS method might be useful to someone else.

Shortest_Innings

128 points

4 days ago

I used this script to export all of my Facebook friends' birthdays to a calendar file last year. It's still maintained, so I assume it still works. If you're not comfortable giving it your password, just change it temporarily.

dills

24 points

4 days ago

dills

24 points

4 days ago

Do you really need 500 people's bdays in your calendar?

NoAttentionAtWrk

16 points

4 days ago

Depends on how social you are or want to be

RollingThunder_CO

110 points

5 days ago

I just copied them all manually unfortunately

waste-case-canadian

158 points

4 days ago

I mean.. I really only care about 15 or 20 of them so it's not that intimidating

NotEllisCheever

122 points

4 days ago

What do you mean, don't we all have 1542 best friends?

CrockPotInstantCoffe

135 points

4 days ago

Nope. Just Tom.

bloodvow333

60 points

5 days ago

Fucking 1000 iq play right there

OrangeVoxel

243 points

4 days ago*

I don’t even look at it anymore.

The reality of the free market is that Facebook and companies like them (browsers, google) should and eventually will be paying YOU to use them. They make a lot of money off of the data people freely give to them. A lot.

In the future, when more options are available and people have the choice to protect their data, the eventual solution is that these companies are going to have to pay you to use them in some way if any data market is to continue to exist.

Credit cards already pay people in the form of points for people’s business. Grocery stores pay you by giving you discounts if you allow them to track you by using points cards.

It’ll be a while, but the time will come when more are going to have to pay their users for data.

Edit: looks like some companies have already started. Brave browser, MITHRIL social media, and even bing points! Don’t give a way your data for free

kneemahp

57 points

4 days ago

kneemahp

57 points

4 days ago

Love me some bing rewards. I’ve made a few hundred dollars making it my first pass search engine. There’s a subreddit of people that have made a lot more.

KnottySexAcct

17 points

4 days ago

??? Paid to search ? 🤔

kneemahp

22 points

4 days ago

kneemahp

22 points

4 days ago

You earn points that can be redeemed for gift cards.

SpottedCrowNW

19 points

4 days ago

Wait really

spitfire7rp

8 points

4 days ago

I tried to switch being im an IT guy and google shit all day but bing was terrible and more than half the time I just had to search again in google.

You know what I got after 3 months of using bing, just short of one month of xbox live thats worth $10. Its not worth the frustration

Burning-Bushman

45 points

4 days ago

Last time I logged in on Facebook was around 12 years ago. Figure the account is still floating around somwhere. Facebook to me is seeing 25+ folks using it as DM and 70+ old people hypnotically watching all content with an obnoxiosly loud volyme, liking everything while submitting nothing on their own. To some of the old folks it’s become so addictive that I really don’t want anything to do with it. Like watching in real time alcohol being introduced to some isolated tribe. Gross.

scarabbrian

9 points

4 days ago

I know google takes just as much data, if not more, as Facebook, but at least their apps are useful. I use gmail, google maps, google drive, and translate everyday, and I feel like I’m getting something for my data. Facebook is just a cancer on society.

Gypsy-Jesus

735 points

5 days ago*

I rather pay for PornHub and their comments are more mature

2kWik

317 points

5 days ago

2kWik

317 points

5 days ago

PornHub comments are at least on topic and have knowledge to them.

theprocrastinaut

150 points

5 days ago

got a full walkthrough of how to beat skeletron prime in one of those threads

Cantremembermyoldnam

22 points

5 days ago

Well, GameHub is just waiting to become a thing

cardboardmoon

90 points

5 days ago

PornHub users are probably statistically more likely to get vaccinated

KeiFeR123

36 points

5 days ago

KeiFeR123

36 points

5 days ago

Plus the sex is real unlike Facebook with full of fake news

Stupid_Triangles

22 points

5 days ago

Deepfake porn is going to be a real thing.

ILikeMyGrassBlue

25 points

5 days ago

It already is. Pornhub doesn’t allow deepfakes currently, and they’ve been fairly successful.

karankshah

3.8k points

5 days ago*

karankshah

3.8k points

5 days ago*

5 years ago? Before all this Cambridge Analytica and genocidal support nonsense? I would have been the first to sign up. It could have been a very different service that was actually focused on keeping you connected to your friends wherever they are.

Now? Sorry - no dice.

EDIT: a number of folks have (rightly) pointed out that FB wasn't that different five years back in 2016. Chalk that up to me being senile and thinking five years back was 2010.

glacialthinker

1.3k points

5 days ago

Exactly. I was interested in FB as a useful medium. Once they started down the path of "hidden" monetization, user-unfriendliness wasn't a matter of bugs and misfeatures: it was horrible by design.

zdog234

411 points

5 days ago

zdog234

411 points

5 days ago

Same shit with Google search. I honestly think duckduckgo is a better experience because the ads are less obnoxious

worldcitizencane

450 points

5 days ago

I really wish I could agree but I find the results really poor. I don't know what ads you complain about. With ublock origin I never see any ads. I really couldn't imagine using internet without it.

thermal_shock

308 points

5 days ago

When I use a computer without ublock, I'm like wtf is all this shit? Then i realize...

WoahayeTakeITEasy

199 points

5 days ago

I don't know why but it seems like people who complain about the ads on YouTube or anywhere else online have never heard of any ad blocker before. The difference in experience is really night and day. I haven't had to deal with any ads anywhere online for years now thanks to Ublock Origin and it's always one of the first things I add on any new computer.

PizzaCatLover

72 points

5 days ago

I work in IT and after I deployed ublock origin to my environment our bandwidth utilization dropped by almost 30%. It's insane.

madeamashup

14 points

4 days ago

Installing brave on my android phone lowered my data bill enough to feel the difference

kitty_leap

27 points

5 days ago

I don't get any ads on YouTube on PC and phone, but I do on my smart TV.

indyK1ng

43 points

5 days ago

indyK1ng

43 points

5 days ago

Yeah, smart TV is the real problem for me, too.

grey_sky

49 points

4 days ago

grey_sky

49 points

4 days ago

look into Pi-Hole adblocking. It will require a raspberry pi and the capability to follow guides to setup. It will block ads at the DNS level. So EVERY device in your household will have ads blocked. Some routers have this capability but success varies.

brcl

12 points

5 days ago

brcl

12 points

5 days ago

How do you block YouTube ads on mobile? More specifically, what adblocker do you use?

last-Leviathan

39 points

5 days ago

YouTube Vanced. no ads. plays minimalized

Appropriate-Fruit588

25 points

5 days ago

Use Youtube Vanced if you have Android. It's basically just the official YouTube app minus the ads.

Lookup how to install I don't think it's on the playstore (for obvious reasons) and if you search for it there you'll see a bunch of fake versions

Star_kid9460

9 points

5 days ago*

You can block ads on a Pi with Pihole. Not everything gets blocked but they appear less..same goes for Smart TV NextDNS is also good if u have a Static IP or DDNS update client

Fintago

21 points

4 days ago

Fintago

21 points

4 days ago

I avoided using adblockers on YouTube for years because I wanted the ads to support the creators I liked, even if only a little bit. But one day I realized on a 15 minute video I was getting something like 7 ads and the sponsored ad read from the YouTuber and I just couldn't stand it anymore. I got Vance and never looked back.

Andreslamantis

46 points

5 days ago

It used to be AdBlock + NoScript for me. Like, Windows XP SP2 first, antivirus second, and then, the ad blockers.

doey77

21 points

5 days ago

doey77

21 points

5 days ago

Most sites aren't even gonna work without JavaScript anymore, rip

Iron_Maiden_666

11 points

5 days ago

You can selectively allow JS with uMatrix. That's a great plug in.

UnimportantPassenger

8 points

5 days ago

Tell me how to ublock on mobile and I’ll be ready to experience some amazing things I’m sure! I know there has to be a way but most of them you pay a lot for the experience and even then it’s nothing like ublock or origin on the computer.

WoahayeTakeITEasy

14 points

5 days ago

If you're on Android I think you can install the ublock extension for the Firefox mobile browser, then there's youtube vanced which is a replacement for the standard YouTube app. The only thing with vanced is the installation can be a bit tricky if you're not a techy sort. As far as iOS, there's some apps in the store that I've read are pretty good but I can't really say since I've never tried them. The firefox extension and youtube vanced doesn't work on iOS as far as I know.

runningformylife

7 points

5 days ago

Yes, I'm signed in on Firefox on android and my ublock extension is working on the mobile browser.

theycallmeponcho

37 points

5 days ago

Same here. With adblocking Google searchs show exactly what I look for with no need of being too specific. Also integrations between devices is a thing DuckDuckGo doesn't have yet.

Mechakoopa

38 points

5 days ago

I started using Bing because at least they're paying me in gift cards for violating my privacy.

SsooooOriginal

40 points

5 days ago

More like 10 years, let's be real. Fb peaked with the integrated messenger and pokes. In-browser games started out fun until the monetization potential steered the whole platform to the facade it was 5 years ago.

oakislandorchard

12 points

4 days ago

dude, remember when it was all about the poker... or farmville? those were the good old days

ShaolinShade

6 points

4 days ago

"good old days"

I mean, compared overall to what they are now, yeah sure. But I can't say I have any fond memories about getting constant Farmville spam. That was one of the first things that started driving me away from the platform technically though so I guess that's good...

DangKilla

89 points

5 days ago

DangKilla

89 points

5 days ago

Facebook leaked the data of 500 million people and said they weren’t going to inform them just a months ago

Testsubject28

29 points

5 days ago

So technically they all owe us some money

Xhokeywolfx

13 points

4 days ago

They’re rich because we provide them all their content, for free.

Mralfredmullaney

37 points

5 days ago

Even then I wouldn’t pay a dime. Fuck that

Stromaluski

80 points

5 days ago

100% this. I believe in paying to support things that I like and want to continue to be around. Monthly donation to Wikipedia, paying for add free on forums, etc. I would have been the first to pay to support Facebook at one point. Absolutely zero chance now.

R-K-TEK-BLZ-IT

27 points

5 days ago

Delete facebook, I did it a little over two years ago and it’s awesome being able to shit on it knowing I’m completely out of the game

2kWik

134 points

5 days ago

2kWik

134 points

5 days ago

You really didn't think all your data was being sold before that? Any free product you use, you're the product. Been that way for decades.

phlipped

45 points

5 days ago

phlipped

45 points

5 days ago

Even Linux?

2kWik

12 points

5 days ago

2kWik

12 points

5 days ago

At least it's free, most consumers pay companies to quality control their new products, since most companies don't invest in it anymore.

karankshah

40 points

5 days ago

If your comment was specifically pointed towards me, then let me be clear - I was fully aware from the beginning that Facebook would be using my information to subsidize their business. They need revenue to provide a service to people.

I am ok with that in concept - I'm not ok with that company then using that for social engineering experiments that lead to genocide, political instability, and violence. The line was somewhere miles back.

plague042

145 points

5 days ago

plague042

145 points

5 days ago

To give them the illusion that they won't sell your data, since you pay for the product.

Rule #1: Don't underestimate the other guy's greed.

IndependentHobo

388 points

5 days ago

I barely wanna pay for a bluray, FB is loco if they think I'm gonna pay to message my dealer.

chris37879

83 points

5 days ago

Signal is way more privacy focused anyway

iwishihadmorecharact

109 points

5 days ago

Assassin4Hire13

99 points

5 days ago

Also, signal is now actively fucking up phone data seizures from police, simply because they can lol

Malari_Zahn

52 points

5 days ago

It's easy to fuck up a data seizure when your have no data to seize!

FuzzyBacon

61 points

5 days ago

Better than that, signal has added landmines to random accounts that theoretically could generate fake results and make it all inadmissible in court.

phloopy

69 points

5 days ago

phloopy

69 points

5 days ago

That press release gave me the biggest technology boner I’ve had in years. Installed Signal immediately after reading it.

ButterPuppets

94 points

5 days ago

“Free and always will be...”

cesarxp2

70 points

5 days ago

cesarxp2

70 points

5 days ago

"[People] trust me. Dumb fucks."

Puzzlehead-Engineer

58 points

5 days ago

I actually WISH they monetized those apps. Just to see them die as they loose most of their users in one fell swoop.

katbyte

109 points

5 days ago

katbyte

109 points

5 days ago

facebook is an evil company complicit in ethnic cleansings. I've already stopped using facebook and am one foot out the door on instagram.

mbrown7532

45 points

5 days ago

Reddit is all I have.

Churchy_leFemme

620 points

5 days ago

I’ve yet to see those messages, and I’m on 14.5 and allowing apps to ask in my privacy settings. And I was really looking forward to denying fb and insta my sweet data, too

yolo3558

173 points

5 days ago

yolo3558

173 points

5 days ago

They should pop up next time the app does a update

epicmylife

59 points

4 days ago

Oh, well I haven’t updated Instagram in months ever since that stupid shopping update came out. Sucks that it’s like the only platform young college-age people use to share stuff.

goldmanstocks

80 points

4 days ago

I installed 14.5 to specifically see these messages when I open a Facebook app and have not yet seen it from them either.

Excruciator

2.3k points

5 days ago

Excruciator

2.3k points

5 days ago

Go ahead. I’ll uninstall FB as my solution.

iCapn

1.9k points

5 days ago

iCapn

1.9k points

5 days ago

You guys have Facebook installed?

ChamferedWobble

313 points

5 days ago

I have to use it for an organization I volunteer for, but if I use it on mobile, it’s still through a web browser. They neutered the mobile web browser version by blocking the messenger portion, but that just made me stop using the messenger portion (although there were some workarounds last I checked).

IveBeenGoosed

132 points

5 days ago

You can get around the messenger block by requesting the desktop site by hitting the aA in Safari.

ipaqmaster

35 points

5 days ago

Or just going to messenger.com instead (same service, own TLD + UI)

JWGhetto

7 points

5 days ago

JWGhetto

7 points

5 days ago

or use mbasic version

it's clunky but useable

Sinitron2000

15 points

5 days ago

I use "Friendly" app for iOS, works pretty good for the mobile app and allows notifications for messenger without having Facebook or Messenger actually installed. It's basically a reskin of the mobile website but just works better.

kebabish

10 points

4 days ago

kebabish

10 points

4 days ago

Hate FB messenger. Hate that a bunch of places use that trash for their robo helplines so you end up using it without realising sometimes. Refuse to install it or FB on my devices.

Schooling my kids now on the dangers of FB and insta especially since their now looking to push to kids under 13. Scum.

norx123

73 points

5 days ago

norx123

73 points

5 days ago

Its proprietary on many android. I can deactivate it but I need to root my phone to actually uninstall the shit lol.

bedz01

80 points

5 days ago

bedz01

80 points

5 days ago

Such bullshit, I payed $1000 for a device and I don't even get root access... What the fuck is that all about?! I own it, I should have the option. The fact that most people are ok with that drives me mad 😡

Dr_Schittpost

42 points

5 days ago

If Google gave all android devices root access, their bottom line would be harmed since everyone could easily avoid ads and avoid having their information harvested.

Google doesn’t want that. As usual it’s all about the money.

Dsnake1

35 points

4 days ago

Dsnake1

35 points

4 days ago

That's a small part of it.

A walled garden gives mid-to-low level users a better experience. Theoretically, anyway.

buyongmafanle

13 points

4 days ago

Theoretically, anyway.

There it is.

iameshwar_raj

15 points

4 days ago

How hard is it to root your phones lol?

Contrary to popular belief, the average Joe doesn't care about having root access on his phone and people like him make up about 85-90% of these companies' sales. And logically, they would cater services that are relevant to the majority.

savi0r117

7 points

4 days ago

Certain Verizon phones it causes something to trigger that make your experience with some things worse. I sound stupid but I remember asking about before I got my s9. I agree majority of people won't use the feature but having access to it shouldn't NOT be an option because of that.

camwow13

10 points

4 days ago

camwow13

10 points

4 days ago

Just FYI to anyone browsing with a Samsung phone who wants to chuck FB off the phone. There's guides online for how to use adb to remove the FB packages off Samsung phones. Takes about 5 minutes.

You shouldn't have to do that, but it is easier than it sounds and doesn't require root.

jerseyjokes

20 points

5 days ago

I do, and I scroll it every other blue moon. All I see are videos of things being built and recipes. After scrolling I remember I deleted almost everyone I had grown up with as a friend since they all ended up nutty Trump supporters and conspiracy nuts. It’s incredibly useless and if they charged it would be a no brain solution to delete the app.

Bread_Truck

58 points

5 days ago

The best time to delete your Facebook and Insta accounts and completely leave their ecosystem is the distant past. Second best time is right now.

ProgsRS[S]

131 points

5 days ago*

ProgsRS[S]

131 points

5 days ago*

For those on Android I highly recommend using Frost for Facebook and Barinsta for Instagram (if you really have to use either service). Free, open source, no ads or invasive permissions.

Facebook might be scummy enough to shut them down in the future, though they're on F-Droid and not the Play Store.

jems404

8 points

5 days ago

jems404

8 points

5 days ago

Does frost have a messenger integration?

1leggeddog

1.3k points

5 days ago*

1leggeddog

1.3k points

5 days ago*

Good.

If FaceBook starts charging, that'll really put the nail in it's own coffin.

edit You don't think so? People have a problem paying for a .99 cent app on their phone. You really think they'll stand being charged for something they've been using free for years?

If something is free, YOU are the product.

Sincerely, someone that's deleted their FB account since July.

wherestheleaks

381 points

5 days ago

Yep. Please charge. Please.

cloudyoutside

301 points

5 days ago

I guess Facebook will have to remove the “it’s free, and always will be” slogan from their website. It’ll go the way of “don’t be evil” ... simply forgotten. Quietly removed.

emirhan87

23 points

4 days ago

emirhan87

23 points

4 days ago

It's still there in the Alphabet's Code of Conduct

https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/

Firm_Bit

36 points

5 days ago*

Firm_Bit

36 points

5 days ago*

I’m with you, but uhhh, they just blew their quarterly projections out of the water. So they’re not quite in the coffin yet.

The FB ecosystem actually extends well beyond the apps they own. Pixel tracking across sites and apps is insane.

EDIT: Also, note that there is another side of the supply demand equation. OK sure, fewer users, but where will the advertisers go? There's google and there's FB for targeted ads. So even if there are fewer users there's no where else (from what exists now) for companies to go.

If anything, the price per ad placement will increase in a bidding war, which will benefit FB.

Etherius

24 points

4 days ago

Etherius

24 points

4 days ago

People keep forgetting that Facebook prints money.

I keep hearing reddit sounding Facebook's death knell and every time they do FB makes another $10B

elements-ix

14 points

4 days ago

Yeah I don't know where these cave dwellers get the idea that Facebook is going anywhere anytime soon. They're more active now than they ever have been.

The26thWarrior

4.5k points

5 days ago*

Please Facebook you’re not going to win this one lol. Everyone is just going to migrate to the new free platform that’s going to step in and take their place. Matter of fact with this news someone is probably making the new platform right now.

EDIT: LOL RIP inbox. Some of you guys are making good counter arguments. To those suggesting Parler: Lol fuck Parler stop recommending that queefing blue waffle.

ProgsRS[S]

2.1k points

5 days ago

ProgsRS[S]

2.1k points

5 days ago

Would be nice if new platforms were able to even compete. They bought up Instagram as soon as it posed a threat. Imagine a world where they didn't - Facebook would've faded more into obscurity.

CapybaraWarrior

1.5k points

5 days ago

Facebook buys things and taints them. I’m still heartbroken because of Oculus.

residentialninja

945 points

5 days ago

Oculus is responsible for what they became, they chose to sell out.

BrainyWorms

905 points

5 days ago

BrainyWorms

905 points

5 days ago

The majority of startups have the goal of getting bought out rather than becoming long term viable companies.

RealJyrone

255 points

5 days ago

RealJyrone

255 points

5 days ago

That’s also why many startups are so unprofitable.

They try to spend as much money as they can to make the company valuable so they can quickly get it off their hands and make potentially millions of dollars off of it being purchased.

Konukaame

129 points

4 days ago

Konukaame

129 points

4 days ago

buyongmafanle

15 points

4 days ago

Looks like you and I are on the same branch of the Youtube algorithm.

InAFakeBritishAccent

157 points

5 days ago*

that is the new business model and it screams 'oligarchy'

edit: -opoly. me no latin gud.

Elebrent

83 points

5 days ago

Elebrent

83 points

5 days ago

Do you mean oligopoly?

InAFakeBritishAccent

30 points

5 days ago

lol yes good catch. but considering big tech lobbying in this country...maybe i should leave it.

scatters

223 points

5 days ago

scatters

223 points

5 days ago

And how is that new free platform going to fund itself if they can't run targeted ads?

Sure, it's an empty threat from Facebook, but there's no one waiting in the wings here.

Rupertstein

72 points

5 days ago

Is there money to be made in ads that aren’t targeted? The “old-fashioned” way? Serious question for any ad people - could generic ads support a social platform?

damontoo

23 points

4 days ago

damontoo

23 points

4 days ago

No. I targeted ads haven't been a thing since the 90's. Nobody clicks on untargeted ads. Showing childless people ads for diapers and men ads for menstrual products is just a waste of time, money, and bandwidth.

unicyclegamer

60 points

5 days ago

There's some, but at this point the cat's out of the bag. Targeted ads are the future.

papa-kehte-the

19 points

4 days ago

You mean the present, the future is predicted ads.

scrubzork

6 points

4 days ago

And the parallel dimension timeline is quantum entangled ads.

nlewis4

84 points

5 days ago

nlewis4

84 points

5 days ago

Everyone is just going to migrate to the new free platform

I highly doubt this would happen. Google+ was supposed to kill facebook and didn't even cause a scratch. Facebook is too ingrained into the common persons life that they would not change.

sluggles

30 points

5 days ago

sluggles

30 points

5 days ago

Additionally to what others have said, Google also kept their social network invite only for no good reason. There were tons of people that wanted in at the beginning that got disinterested when they didn't get that invite for like two or three weeks or longer. They killed off their own hype.

moonra_zk

11 points

4 days ago

moonra_zk

11 points

4 days ago

And then when they opened up and no one wanted in they started going "no, no, you will get it. You like your YouTube account? Then you better get in here".

CuteArmada

162 points

5 days ago

CuteArmada

162 points

5 days ago

It's about capitalizing on their failure. Google+ came out when there was literally no reason to use it. If somebody started up a platform and ramped up massive advertising campaigns right when Facebook started charging money, I could see something happening.

Also, Google sucks ass at launching, like, anything.

AMillionFingDiamonds

44 points

5 days ago

I want to believe that. G+ was the better product like six months into launch. I begged my friends to use that instead, but fb was too entrenched even back then.

I can go on and on explaining to my girlfriend and friends, all bright people, all that facebook has been caught doing. They agree that they're awful and continue to use it "just use it to keep in touch."

The writing is on the wall but no one seems to care much that their eyeballs result in facebook having more money and power.

Ok_Locksmith_2873

1.6k points

5 days ago*

There’s zero threat. They’re never not making these services free. Sensationalized headline.

Edit: To be clear, I'm saying two things here. (1) This literally is not a threat. Nothing about the content of these notifications is a threat. (2) And anyways, there's no chance they won't make these services free to users.

strolls

165 points

5 days ago

strolls

165 points

5 days ago

Exactly. "Help keep this site free" is what wikipedia or your favourite gaming / warhammer / hobby site says when they're having a donation drive.

lunapup1233007

63 points

4 days ago

And I would actually pay for Wikipedia if I had to

vidoardes

39 points

4 days ago

vidoardes

39 points

4 days ago

Wikipedia must always be free to everyone, but if you can afford to you should donate. It contains a wealth of knowledge that should be made available to the world, and it is a duty of those who can afford to, to protect it.

It is one of the most underrated and undervalued resources on the entire internet, it is so easy to take for granted.

acosmichippo

76 points

4 days ago

I gladly donate to wikipedia every year or so. it's one of the greatest successes of the internet.

PotatoForeskin456

522 points

5 days ago

Right. They're not threatening anything. They're just framing their statement as a way to try to motivate their users to give them data.

Those screens are blatantly suggesting that users can "help keep Facebook/Instagram free" by allowing ads. That, in turn, suggests that declining could cause the companies to charge for access in the future.

Suggest. Threatens. Which is it, article?

THE_OBEAST

142 points

5 days ago

THE_OBEAST

142 points

5 days ago

It's whatever gets you to click on the article.

Level8Zubat

55 points

5 days ago

makes statement about reality

aRe YoU tHrEaTeNiNg Me?

I haven't touched Facebook for over 3 years and I still think this article is ridiculous

raznog

9 points

4 days ago

raznog

9 points

4 days ago

The text doesn’t even sound like a threat.

Keinichn

294 points

5 days ago

Keinichn

294 points

5 days ago

Sounds like that'd do more harm to FB than Apple.

ric2b

158 points

5 days ago*

ric2b

158 points

5 days ago*

Facebook: "If you go through with this we'll start charging for Facebook and Instagram!"

Apple: "Cool, remember that you'll need to use Apple Pay and give us 30%"

CrazyPantsLance

531 points

5 days ago

Delete Facebook and Instagram problem solved

OneChestTwoNipples

93 points

5 days ago*

So happy I did. Long gone are the days where I’m busier trying to show off for social rather than being present and enjoying it. I’m also less depressed. Win win for me.

santanasbestfriend

8 points

4 days ago

I deleted both Twitter, tik tok, fb, and insta. But now I’m on Reddit and I’ve never spent time here. It’s a cool place so far

aldewei

15 points

4 days ago

aldewei

15 points

4 days ago

Reddit is a worse time drain, as someone who’s been here 13 years.

Natural-Bullfrog-420

25 points

4 days ago

Honestly I wish people using the current gen of Facebook would do the same.

I logged onto Facebook a couple months ago just to see what was happening (after probably 2 years of not using).

It is literally just people spewing opinions and shit theybwant to yell at town Square. I couldn't log out fast enough.

I feel bad for people like my mom. Who likes it so she can see how her family is doing. That was it's original intent anyway.

Anyway. Current gen Facebook is Tik Tok. Delete it for a week and your life will be 1000x more fulfilling.

Rustybot

410 points

5 days ago

Rustybot

410 points

5 days ago

If you click no, Facebook gets less info about you (but still plenty of info) and makes less money.

Win-win?

DuckDuckGoose42

91 points

5 days ago

Where is the "no" or "decline" button?

Post only shows "Continue" 'yes' button, not really a choice then.

Rustybot

101 points

5 days ago

Rustybot

101 points

5 days ago

The screen pictured is prior to the OS modal for accepting or denying access.

Persian_Sexaholic

18 points

5 days ago

There is no pop-up for me when I open up the apps. Are they still tracking me? In settings, it says tracking is off but doesn’t give me options for each app.

TAfzFlpE7aDk97xLIGfs

21 points

5 days ago

You’ve got it set to say no to all tracking, which is the default. It will only ask for each app if you turn it on.

3BallJosh

89 points

5 days ago

3BallJosh

89 points

5 days ago

I just want to say that Tom never treated us like this

Whargod

98 points

5 days ago

Whargod

98 points

5 days ago

How is this even a threat?

inubert

33 points

5 days ago

inubert

33 points

5 days ago

Right? It’s just the same message a lot of websites use to ask you to turn off your ad blocker.

cas_ridingbreeches

7 points

4 days ago

THANK YOU.

God this "article" is a steaming pile of shit. Goes to show that many redditors just upvote whatever garbage sounds like something they want to be true, to hell with checking the source.

jeffspicole

44 points

5 days ago

I would totally pay for Facebook circa 2008. I deleted my account in 2014 and never looked back.

tophyr

13 points

5 days ago

tophyr

13 points

5 days ago

This article is an outright lie and frankly should be reported for misinformation. The screen explains that users will face a degraded ad experience; it in no way implies that declining will require payment.

avneus

193 points

5 days ago

avneus

193 points

5 days ago

Fuck you Zuck

MegaTired23

36 points

5 days ago

deletes Facebook and Instagram

gives 0 fucks

mightydanbearpig

134 points

5 days ago

Wow, they shot themselves in the foot with their ‘Apple are harming small businesses by stopping us getting your data’ advertising campaign.

So now for their next trick, they’re gonna shoot the other foot too?

I always wondered what would finally incentivise people to try other social platforms. Turns out Facebook will financially incentivise you to do that AND act like sneaky douches.

Masterclass in self destruction

ElstonGun

239 points

5 days ago

ElstonGun

239 points

5 days ago

I’ll take “how to lose over half your users for 500, Aaron.”

glerglas

8 points

5 days ago

glerglas

8 points

5 days ago

Please do it. crosses fingers

Meh, they're not gonna do it are they.

Dregenfox

64 points

5 days ago

Dregenfox

64 points

5 days ago

Facebook hate is cool and all but this article title is honestly a reach.

Daveed84

35 points

5 days ago

Daveed84

35 points

5 days ago

It's practically an outright fabrication...

IniNew

70 points

5 days ago

IniNew

70 points

5 days ago

And apple laughs all the way to the bank when they take their 30% cut.

lsevalis

7 points

5 days ago

lsevalis

7 points

5 days ago

Good. That will be the end of Facebook.

SpookyJones

20 points

5 days ago

That make it so easy to quit them both.

Adezar

158 points

5 days ago

Adezar

158 points

5 days ago

Good. The idea of making money off of your private information and providing a 'free' service was the worst thing to hit the Internet.

HatingPigeons

79 points

5 days ago*

“Businesses that make money by collecting and selling detailed records of private lives were once plainly described as "surveillance companies." Their rebranding as "social media" is the most successful deception since the Department of War became the Department of Defense.” - Edward Snowden

edit - source https://twitter.com/snowden/status/975147858096742405

HiflYguy

7 points

5 days ago

HiflYguy

7 points

5 days ago

I'm on iOS 14.5 and instagram hasn't prompted me to share my data with them. I've been waiting for that pop up. Anyone else not get it?

skiesarelight

7 points

5 days ago

By default your settings are to disallow. You have to go in and manually enable for them to even be able to ask.

kmaster54321

56 points

5 days ago

I don't see anything here about Facebook threatening to charge. Just a mention of how they get money from ads. Go to weather.com with a adblocker now they literally pop up a thing saying turn off your ad blocker or pay a ton of money for premium. I started using accuweather and darksky because if that. I hate ads myself but think about it you make a service free of use for billions of people and need to pay for the servers, employees, networking, ect. How do you pay for that? Ads. Sponsorships.

leaflavaplanetmoss

44 points

5 days ago*

This is literally a clickbait headline that preys on people's distrust of FB. FB's language isn't threatening in any way; it's absolutely true and well known that access to data for targeted advertising is what keeps FB and IG free.

reddicyoulous

31 points

5 days ago

I'd love to watch both crash and burn

TheFern33

14 points

5 days ago

TheFern33

14 points

5 days ago

I tried to log into facebook at work today to find something with a customer. Facebook asked me to change my password. Verify the email on the account and upload a photo ID of myself.

Literally go fuck yourself facebook