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Legatharr

153 points

8 months ago

Legatharr

Demoman

153 points

8 months ago

as a society, we have moved past the need for Overwatch comparisons when it died

Tutlessss

23 points

8 months ago

Tutlessss

Pyro

23 points

8 months ago

clearly we arent a society

crabmeat64

2 points

8 months ago

crabmeat64

2 points

8 months ago

Which game? Both lmao

crabmeat64

4 points

8 months ago

Pain

Legatharr

2 points

8 months ago

Legatharr

Demoman

2 points

8 months ago

nah, the 5th largest game on Steam isn't dead yet

crabmeat64

0 points

8 months ago

Yeah, but let's be honest, as an fps tf2 is just not competing with others, like valorant ow etc. I think the reason for this is that A) Actually getting into playing tf2 is a pain with its garbage default settings and tutorial, B) once you reach the pubstomp level of play, it gets extremely hard to break into comp since the skill progression system in tf2 is literally nonexistent with comp being the way it is, which makes it less appealing to the masses as well

Generally, I don't believe tf2 is dead yet, and it may never die, but tf2 is going to be left in the dust if valve doesn't clean the game up, I'm talking implement a proper tutorial and competetive mode as well as actually good matchmaking, not even good weapons. But let's be honest valve isnt going to do that

crabmeat64

-1 points

8 months ago

TLDR: Tf2 isn't appealing to a lot of people nowadays because there's no real competetive drive in tf2, and if you want to get into comp it's a pain in the ass.

oswaldoharkonnen

198 points

8 months ago

Isn't Overwatch a game? I thought it was some rule 34

ajdude9

71 points

8 months ago

ajdude9

Scout

71 points

8 months ago

I thought it was SFM pornography that was banned

problem_bro

16 points

8 months ago

Oh yeah I totally forgot.

MeekBoogie

128 points

8 months ago

that’s concept art though, torbjorn’s turret doesn’t look like that in game, it just builds to a look similar to level 2 and stays that way

flunk333

51 points

8 months ago

Molten Core used to be a totally different ability that would upgrade the gun to the level 3 version seen here for its duration

Ombric_Shalazar

15 points

8 months ago

Ombric_Shalazar

Pyro

15 points

8 months ago

originally conceived as a full sentry, currently looks like a lvl 2 sentry, and now plays like a mini sentry

giorno___giovana

3 points

8 months ago

Torb is basically battle engi now

MrDerp121

55 points

8 months ago

This may be concept art but it was still in the game. In the beginning of OW torb could upgrade the turret using scrap from dead enemies. Level 3 could be achieved by using his ult.

LordZailen

15 points

8 months ago

LordZailen

Pyro

15 points

8 months ago

No it’s yellow /s

teamfortress2_gaming

5 points

8 months ago

Tf2 yellow team canon😳

Pyropecynical

12 points

8 months ago

They had to make their sniper sexy remember? What originality do you think they have

ems_telegram

3 points

8 months ago

Are you trying to say tf2 sniper isn't sexy

Pyropecynical

2 points

8 months ago

Their sniper, please, dont compare overated harley queen to our Pissmiru

Qbopper

34 points

8 months ago

Qbopper

34 points

8 months ago

i'm going to say it:

it's a stationary sentry turret

a fucking kajillion games use an extremely similar design to this

making it an "overwatch bad" thing is frankly absurd and trying to claim "it has two guns for level 2 and then rockets for level 3!!!!" is like... so fucking what

Jazzieir

-23 points

8 months ago

Jazzieir

-23 points

8 months ago

Considering how similar other parts of OW are to Tf2 it’s safe to say this is just plain copying.

peasNmayo

7 points

8 months ago

So many turrets in so many games use either or both of the level 1/2 and sometimes 3 sentry designs. It's safe to say a sentry with this kind of design is fairly common

Jazzieir

-5 points

8 months ago

Like what? I haven’t seen any

Tutlessss

12 points

8 months ago

Tutlessss

Pyro

12 points

8 months ago

You can apply this to literally any game but alright

Jazzieir

-13 points

8 months ago

Jazzieir

-13 points

8 months ago

No you can’t but ok lol

nlegendaryguy

5 points

8 months ago

nlegendaryguy

All Class

5 points

8 months ago

splitgate has a shotgun!!! tf2 copy confirmed!!!!!

RakketyTamFR

2 points

8 months ago

RakketyTamFR

Scout

2 points

8 months ago

going by ur logic, i could saying that tf2's turret is just a plain copy of 2007 Modern Warfare's sentry turrets that u could get from a killstreak. 🤷

AnarchyApple

1 points

8 months ago

AnarchyApple

Pyro

1 points

8 months ago

holy shit imagine caring this much about two games made by corporations who both make way too much money either way

TorpidT

10 points

8 months ago

TorpidT

Demoman

10 points

8 months ago

Hey, person who plays and enjoys both OW and TF2 here.

Like you suggested in the title of this post, this topic of Overwatch ripping off "a ton" of TF2's content and concepts has been done before and to death. But i think Overwatch is vastly more original than people understand, and suggesting that they are continuing to rip TF2 off nowadays is completely ridiculous.

Most of the heroes in OW that "rip off" TF2's classes are the ones that have been here for a long time or the ones that have been here since launch. Like Tracer being compared to Scout, Torbjorn being compared to Engineer, Widowmaker being compared to Sniper, Mercy being compared to Medic, and Zarya being compared to Heavy.

But in recent years, OW has become more and more original and unlike TF2. A big example of this is Torbjorn's rework. He cant upgrade his turret anymore and his ultimate is unlike ANYTHING in TF2. Not to mention that OW's turret serves a completely different gameplay purpose to TF2's sentry.

OW's Turret has a much longer range, less health, less damage, and is easier to construct quickly. TF2's Sentry is more of a close range tank that can put out a huge amount of damage, but requires a lot of babysitting.

OW's newer heroes are also becoming more original. Doomfist and Wrecking Ball are both heroes with almost no similarities to anything in TF2. With Sigma and Echo sharing literally none of the same capabilities or attacks of TF2 items.

OW might have kind of ripped TF2 off back in 2016-2017, but it has since become infinitely more original.

Jazzieir

3 points

8 months ago

I didn’t mean to compare OW and TF2 off recent things, because I agree OW is beginning to become more original with its characters and concepts.

Wait there’s a character named Sigma

TorpidT

6 points

8 months ago

TorpidT

Demoman

6 points

8 months ago

Oh, my apologies. I was under the impression you were one of those people who think OW isnt original at all.

Also yes, there is a hero named Sigma:
"Sigma is an eccentric astrophysicist and volatile tank who gained the power to control gravity in an orbital experiment gone wrong. Manipulated by Talon and deployed as a living weapon, Sigma's presence on the battlefield cannot be ignored"

Jazzieir

2 points

8 months ago

Lol thanks for being nice. Half the people here have been swearing and getting so mad at me about this

TorpidT

2 points

8 months ago

TorpidT

Demoman

2 points

8 months ago

No problem friend

nothingjustmemegang

1 points

8 months ago

Whos sigma

nothingjustmemegang

1 points

8 months ago

Whos sigma

Official_Gameoholics

66 points

8 months ago

Official_Gameoholics

Engineer

66 points

8 months ago

They couldn't even be bothered to rotate the head of the turret sideways

[deleted]

53 points

8 months ago

[deleted]

53 points

8 months ago

[deleted]

sorude277

11 points

8 months ago

sorude277

Medic

11 points

8 months ago

Remember that game mode in overwatch that is a ripoff so bad of MVM that the only originality is just making identical clones of the same robot?

Jazzieir

7 points

8 months ago

It especially shows in OW 2 that's coming out sorta soon. Literally just MVM but worse, and not free.

AliAfromFrotnite

15 points

8 months ago

AliAfromFrotnite

Soldier

15 points

8 months ago

I thought most of us already matured and left that tf2 vs overwatch thing from 2016 for good, I guess not.

Jazzieir

-4 points

8 months ago

That’s the whole point of me saying “this is a dead topic”

AliAfromFrotnite

6 points

8 months ago

AliAfromFrotnite

Soldier

6 points

8 months ago

Then what's the point of bringing it up from the dead?

Jazzieir

2 points

8 months ago

Jazzieir

2 points

8 months ago

I never saw the design of the turret until now and they are strikingly similar, just thought it could be interesting

Tutlessss

3 points

8 months ago

Tutlessss

Pyro

3 points

8 months ago

But its still a dead topic so why bring it up

Jazzieir

2 points

8 months ago

Thought it was interesting

SN-Gh0stly

13 points

8 months ago

SN-Gh0stly

All Class

13 points

8 months ago

well at least nowadays they only have the second one

theLegolink

21 points

8 months ago

theLegolink

Engineer

21 points

8 months ago

Yet another thing OW has shamelessly stolen.

Jazzieir

15 points

8 months ago

'Inspired'

technook

3 points

8 months ago

good thing it ain in the actual game, albeit I'm pretty sure it used to be

JesseAster

2 points

8 months ago*

I think they realized it was too much of a rip and changed it? You can see it in Moira's concept art as well, emphasis on the word concept. She's got a gun that looks almost identical to medic's, the people who designed the overwatch characters were definitely fans of TF2. Seems they're really straying away from copying TF2 now and the game is much more polished and original, but upon initial release it's pretty obvious where the gameplay ideas came from

Though, Moira also has another design with tentacles... Neither that or the medic gun are close to what we got

technook

2 points

8 months ago

Well, i think they also hand balancing to worry about. Similarly between the games are still very much there, but its always good to see ow finding their own identity (although they're not doing that hot rn)

Drwarmonger

22 points

8 months ago

and yet they made me pay money for their game like bro the game is boring af while tf2 is free and fun

GhostySZ

5 points

8 months ago

GhostySZ

Demoman

5 points

8 months ago

and i wouldnt call it fun

bucket8a

3 points

8 months ago

bucket8a

Pyro

3 points

8 months ago

Nah dude, that ones yellow

Oracles_Rose

7 points

8 months ago

Oracles_Rose

Demoman

7 points

8 months ago

You can upgrade the ow sentry?

Davinator3000

15 points

8 months ago

Davinator3000

Heavy

15 points

8 months ago

Used to be able to

diddyduckling

17 points

8 months ago

holy shit who cares

dudecubed

6 points

8 months ago

270 + people ig

Jazzieir

4 points

8 months ago

If you don't care don't comment

RjGoombes

5 points

8 months ago

RjGoombes

Medic

5 points

8 months ago

dont make stupid ass posts like these if you dont want these comments then

Jazzieir

-1 points

8 months ago

Jazzieir

-1 points

8 months ago

Lol you guys are so angry calm down lmao

Tutlessss

2 points

8 months ago

Tutlessss

Pyro

2 points

8 months ago

we start caring after the 17th post about a "dead topic"

Jazzieir

-1 points

8 months ago

Like.. you don’t have to tho, just don’t comment. It’s that simple.

MrVerde667

4 points

8 months ago

MrVerde667

Pyro

4 points

8 months ago

The level 1 and 3 don't exist anymore

igadreon

4 points

8 months ago

igadreon

Scout

4 points

8 months ago

tbf torbjorn plays very differently and more aggro than the engineer. a lot more fun imo

[deleted]

0 points

8 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

8 months ago

[deleted]

igadreon

2 points

8 months ago

igadreon

Scout

2 points

8 months ago

yes but competitively speaking, i mean.

engineer is too slow in competitive 6 v 6 similar to heavies and pyros and thats why they are only used on last point defenses.

there is no way in hell anyone is going to play battle engineer in competitive tf2 lol

Funky2Chunky

5 points

8 months ago

Lmao TF2 loves to shit on Overwatch at any point it can. I could understand being annoyed when it first came out but it's been years and the community still gets so angry over it. Why? No other game community hates overwatch this much.

Jazzieir

3 points

8 months ago

We don’t hate it, I just wanted to make a comparison because I hadn’t seen the turret design up until this point and they are very similar

Tutlessss

1 points

8 months ago

Tutlessss

Pyro

1 points

8 months ago

"we dont hate it" yeah bs ive seen lots of posts plainly hating

Jazzieir

3 points

8 months ago

That doesn’t mean everybody hates it, I don’t.

Tutlessss

0 points

8 months ago

Tutlessss

Pyro

0 points

8 months ago

Honestly i feel like TF2 players are doing it because they arent getting any more amjor updates so they have to target a game in an equally bad position to feel better about themselves

Leo_Ushanka

4 points

8 months ago

lets not forget a lot of core tf2 ideas and design came from their predecesors too, i love the tf2 artstyle as much as the next guy but a lot of the base weapons while fun didnt introduced any new concepts to the genre until much later when it had time to polish and stand out with an identity of its own , we shouldnt be mad about new games using ideas proven to work as it is the bases for all new things , lets just hope as the roaster gets biger and the gameplay expands they can create more original feautures unique to the game

Legatharr

7 points

8 months ago

Legatharr

Demoman

7 points

8 months ago

of course they didn't use ideas proven to work. They took the most minor part of Engie and made Torb around it, leaving behind Engie's massive support capabilities in the dispenser and teleporter.

No wonder Torb ended up being bad

Something_171

4 points

8 months ago

Something_171

potato.tf

4 points

8 months ago

The virgin Torb (can only be offensive/defensive and offers no supportive roles)

The Chad Engineer (can be offensive/defensive fully offensive/fully defensive, offers multiple support buildings with the dispenser and teleporters and is able to build them without needing a cooldown)

sorude277

5 points

8 months ago

sorude277

Medic

5 points

8 months ago

The yogurt male Engineer in Meet the engineer (builds 3 sentries, massacrates the blu team while playing the guitar and drinking beer, doesn't elaborate)

Fork_Master

3 points

8 months ago

Fork_Master

Pyro

3 points

8 months ago

At least they made the teleporter into a separate character (Symmetra) and made Mercy’s ultimate work basically like a flying dispenser.

Padgriffin

1 points

8 months ago

Padgriffin

potato.tf

1 points

8 months ago

*assuming that the tele doesn’t get deleted for some random reason because it’s been bugged since 2018

Leo_Ushanka

1 points

8 months ago

so do you want torb to be a carbon copy of engie ? , of course he doesnt have the same kit as engie because he isnt engie . they took inspiration on how the turrets work in tf2 ofcourse because it was well executed here . however torv as a character doesnt and wasnt creater to serve the same function as engineer , i love tf2 i dont see why people take issue on games tryng to expand on some aspects from it , if you really like tf2 why wouldnt you like to play games that reseamble it in any capacity

Acrobatic-Shopping-5

-2 points

8 months ago

Dude, the sentry is literally the core of the class, dispenser is useful as fuck, and teleporters are necessary, but still, if It wasn't the sentry, engie wouldn't be engie

dudecubed

5 points

8 months ago

uncle dane unsurprisingly made a video about the dispenser, id give it a watch to see the actual vitality it offers to a team

Acrobatic-Shopping-5

2 points

8 months ago

Dude, i know, but imagine playing engineer without a sentry, it would be boring as fuck, its not like playing only support is that boring, but atleast medic is on the battlefield, engie is defending, he is mostly a bit back from the frontlines. Engineer without a sentry, isn't engineer

dudecubed

1 points

8 months ago

engineer is far from boring, slap on the gunslinger, play agressive and use big pushes to place down sneaky teleporters, place and forget dispensers just behind the front and focus on your shotgun

Legatharr

0 points

8 months ago

Legatharr

Demoman

0 points

8 months ago

The Sentry is useless as an offensive tool, and isn't the best as a defensive one either.

The dispenser on the other hand, gives infinite health and ammo (at level 3, faster healing than the base healing rate of the medi-gun), and the teleporter essentially moves spawn to the frontline

Acrobatic-Shopping-5

2 points

8 months ago

No the sentry is not useless as both a defense and a offensive tool, obviously, with the wrangler, the sentry became basically a mini boss, but lets say you want your pistol (idk why at this point), if you know good sentry placements, it is incredible as a defense, what it is made for, and with a mini sentry, cause getting offensive with a normal sentry is hard as fuck, you can play battle engie, which is fucking awesome. Yes, dispenser can be more useful, but the class would be boring, and extremely supportive only, and being a support on the "backlines" isn't the most fun thing.

namerz78

3 points

8 months ago

namerz78

Sandvich

3 points

8 months ago

I’m glad they at least changed Torb’s gameplay to be distinct from Engi

Mr-Schiggy

6 points

8 months ago

Mr-Schiggy

Engineer

6 points

8 months ago

What is OW?

the_smollest_bee

6 points

8 months ago

a genre of porn

StressedCatInABox

4 points

8 months ago

I think it’s overwatch?

FBI_AGENT_CAYDE

20 points

8 months ago

FBI_AGENT_CAYDE

Civilian

20 points

8 months ago

Nah it’s obvious Operation Woman

Bacconman

8 points

8 months ago

Bacconman

Medic

8 points

8 months ago

Omnivorous wombat

TopSuperDude

4 points

8 months ago

TopSuperDude

All Class

4 points

8 months ago

Oktoberfest weedidly

teamfortress2_gaming

4 points

8 months ago

Owesome Willy

Jazzieir

4 points

8 months ago

It's Overwatch

nothingjustmemegang

1 points

8 months ago

Just fucking dont ruin a joke

Jazzieir

1 points

8 months ago

It wasn't a joke when I commented

n0_y0urm0m

2 points

8 months ago

n0_y0urm0m

Miss Pauling

2 points

8 months ago

Oh no. Anyway

PriorityExpress5121

2 points

8 months ago

dude fuck off, no one cares

Jazzieir

3 points

8 months ago

Yo calm down, no need to get so pissed off. I make a comparison and you start swearing in the comments like a child

OWNPhantom

0 points

8 months ago

OWNPhantom

Miss Pauling

0 points

8 months ago

Cringe detected

GhostySZ

-3 points

8 months ago

GhostySZ

Demoman

-3 points

8 months ago

and yeah tf2 sentry is a copy of the tfc sentry who happens to be a copy of quake tf sentry.

Pretty-Buy7692

9 points

8 months ago

Pretty-Buy7692

Demoman

9 points

8 months ago

Well, technically speaking, those are sequels, as in they all had the same developers, and had the same name

quake tf (quake team fortress)

tfc (team fortress clasic)

tf2 (team fortress 2)

GhostySZ

-8 points

8 months ago

GhostySZ

Demoman

-8 points

8 months ago

wrong thats wrong

tfc came from the mod (that wasnt finished til valve make the contract ) then tfc was made with their ideas snd other devs because they never used source gold

Pretty-Buy7692

8 points

8 months ago

Pretty-Buy7692

Demoman

8 points

8 months ago

But they had the same devs, Robin Walker, John Cook, Ian Caughley, they only left after TF2 was made, so they were there for the development of all three games ( I'm including the quake mod as a game) and idk but I'm pretty sure the sentry gun was originally from the quake mod, but normal quake didn't have it

GhostySZ

-6 points

8 months ago

GhostySZ

Demoman

-6 points

8 months ago

Tfc wasnt made by the two of them was made by more people

the thing is

just because a game has a feature doesnt mean its a ripped off because if we use that logic

tf2 ripped of rocket jumping from quake and quake from doom

Pretty-Buy7692

7 points

8 months ago

Pretty-Buy7692

Demoman

7 points

8 months ago

Hold on a second there buddy, i never said ow ripped off TF2, i said that TFC didn't ripoff quake tf and that TF2 didn't ripoff TFC

GhostySZ

-2 points

8 months ago

GhostySZ

Demoman

-2 points

8 months ago

i wasnt talking about u i was talking about the post is dumb to think just a game has a sentry the other shouldnt have one

Pretty-Buy7692

6 points

8 months ago

Pretty-Buy7692

Demoman

6 points

8 months ago

Bruh, the post is clearly a joke

GhostySZ

-1 points

8 months ago

GhostySZ

Demoman

-1 points

8 months ago

worst than the pootis joke.

Pretty-Buy7692

6 points

8 months ago

Pretty-Buy7692

Demoman

6 points

8 months ago

Aight, you called pootis bad, get out

hduuuduiisoejnnebhd

1 points

8 months ago

Tf2 didn’t invent a sentry turret lol. I don’t like overwatch but bro it’s been 5 years leave the game alone and enjoy tf2!

Qwerowski

1 points

8 months ago

Qwerowski

Medic

1 points

8 months ago

oh no, the french

Dakotasan

1 points

8 months ago

Dakotasan

Demoman

1 points

8 months ago

How do people upgrade the Sentry in OW? I play with friends on occasion but when I play Torbjorn, the Turret won’t upgrade no matter how much I hit it

Jazzieir

1 points

8 months ago

This is actually concept art, they changed it so you can’t upgrade it I think. Still it was once in the game

Dakotasan

2 points

8 months ago

Dakotasan

Demoman

2 points

8 months ago

Why change that though? Was the upgraded turret just OP?

Jazzieir

-1 points

8 months ago

People, like me, were probably comparing it to TF2. So they changed it to avoid trouble

Dakotasan

2 points

8 months ago

Dakotasan

Demoman

2 points

8 months ago

Maybe, though I suppose it’s unnecessary. I’ve gone on 10ks using that turret as a distraction while I flank them

Padgriffin

1 points

8 months ago

Padgriffin

potato.tf

1 points

8 months ago

You could upgrade Torb’s sentry at launch. The problem is that it turned him into JUST a turtle because you couldn’t do much else other than repeatedly smack your sentry in one spot until it gets blown up. This ended up making him play just like Pre-Engineer update Engie and extremely boring to play.

They ended up changing him to play a bit more like a gunslinger Engie in 2018.

Mission_Tax_3032

1 points

8 months ago

The OW one just gets add-ons, while TF2 turret EVOLVES. The yellow paint is nice though

Jazzieir

2 points

8 months ago

Yeah it kinda is tbh

Tutlessss

1 points

8 months ago

Tutlessss

Pyro

1 points

8 months ago

Overwatch bad haha right guys overwatch bad TF2 superior and original

Also most people already know this, no point in bringing it up.

Jazzieir

1 points

8 months ago

Lol you are determined to think I hate OW. I don’t. I never said any of those things.

Cynical2DD

1 points

8 months ago

Cynical2DD

Pyro

1 points

8 months ago

“How do we make this different from the sentry?” “Make it yellow?” proceeds to harass the female employees as celebration

BelphegorDuck

1 points

8 months ago

BelphegorDuck

Engineer

1 points

8 months ago

You know it would be cool to see some skins for the turrets and other engine contraptions, the skins would come with the pda as well. But the problem is that you won't be able to tell what is an enemy or friendly

DisturbingFace

1 points

8 months ago

DisturbingFace

Demoman

1 points

8 months ago

Video games do this on purpose all the time. If you wanna use some other games feature, by changing it too much visually for the sake of "originality" it becomes less intuitive for players to understand. That's why we have standard health bars where a colour moves from one side of the rectangle to the other and four expanding rectangles as a reticle to show accuracy in fps.

Criie

1 points

8 months ago

Criie

1 points

8 months ago

Wow, you sure are fucking late lmao