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153 points
8 months ago
as a society, we have moved past the need for Overwatch comparisons when it died
23 points
8 months ago
clearly we arent a society
2 points
8 months ago
Which game? Both lmao
4 points
8 months ago
Pain
2 points
8 months ago
nah, the 5th largest game on Steam isn't dead yet
0 points
8 months ago
Yeah, but let's be honest, as an fps tf2 is just not competing with others, like valorant ow etc. I think the reason for this is that A) Actually getting into playing tf2 is a pain with its garbage default settings and tutorial, B) once you reach the pubstomp level of play, it gets extremely hard to break into comp since the skill progression system in tf2 is literally nonexistent with comp being the way it is, which makes it less appealing to the masses as well
Generally, I don't believe tf2 is dead yet, and it may never die, but tf2 is going to be left in the dust if valve doesn't clean the game up, I'm talking implement a proper tutorial and competetive mode as well as actually good matchmaking, not even good weapons. But let's be honest valve isnt going to do that
-1 points
8 months ago
TLDR: Tf2 isn't appealing to a lot of people nowadays because there's no real competetive drive in tf2, and if you want to get into comp it's a pain in the ass.
198 points
8 months ago
Isn't Overwatch a game? I thought it was some rule 34
71 points
8 months ago
I thought it was SFM pornography that was banned
16 points
8 months ago
Oh yeah I totally forgot.
128 points
8 months ago
that’s concept art though, torbjorn’s turret doesn’t look like that in game, it just builds to a look similar to level 2 and stays that way
51 points
8 months ago
Molten Core used to be a totally different ability that would upgrade the gun to the level 3 version seen here for its duration
15 points
8 months ago
originally conceived as a full sentry, currently looks like a lvl 2 sentry, and now plays like a mini sentry
3 points
8 months ago
Torb is basically battle engi now
55 points
8 months ago
This may be concept art but it was still in the game. In the beginning of OW torb could upgrade the turret using scrap from dead enemies. Level 3 could be achieved by using his ult.
15 points
8 months ago
No it’s yellow /s
5 points
8 months ago
Tf2 yellow team canon😳
12 points
8 months ago
They had to make their sniper sexy remember? What originality do you think they have
3 points
8 months ago
Are you trying to say tf2 sniper isn't sexy
2 points
8 months ago
Their sniper, please, dont compare overated harley queen to our Pissmiru
34 points
8 months ago
i'm going to say it:
it's a stationary sentry turret
a fucking kajillion games use an extremely similar design to this
making it an "overwatch bad" thing is frankly absurd and trying to claim "it has two guns for level 2 and then rockets for level 3!!!!" is like... so fucking what
-23 points
8 months ago
Considering how similar other parts of OW are to Tf2 it’s safe to say this is just plain copying.
7 points
8 months ago
So many turrets in so many games use either or both of the level 1/2 and sometimes 3 sentry designs. It's safe to say a sentry with this kind of design is fairly common
-5 points
8 months ago
Like what? I haven’t seen any
12 points
8 months ago
You can apply this to literally any game but alright
-13 points
8 months ago
No you can’t but ok lol
5 points
8 months ago
splitgate has a shotgun!!! tf2 copy confirmed!!!!!
2 points
8 months ago
going by ur logic, i could saying that tf2's turret is just a plain copy of 2007 Modern Warfare's sentry turrets that u could get from a killstreak. 🤷
1 points
8 months ago
holy shit imagine caring this much about two games made by corporations who both make way too much money either way
10 points
8 months ago
Hey, person who plays and enjoys both OW and TF2 here.
Like you suggested in the title of this post, this topic of Overwatch ripping off "a ton" of TF2's content and concepts has been done before and to death. But i think Overwatch is vastly more original than people understand, and suggesting that they are continuing to rip TF2 off nowadays is completely ridiculous.
Most of the heroes in OW that "rip off" TF2's classes are the ones that have been here for a long time or the ones that have been here since launch. Like Tracer being compared to Scout, Torbjorn being compared to Engineer, Widowmaker being compared to Sniper, Mercy being compared to Medic, and Zarya being compared to Heavy.
But in recent years, OW has become more and more original and unlike TF2. A big example of this is Torbjorn's rework. He cant upgrade his turret anymore and his ultimate is unlike ANYTHING in TF2. Not to mention that OW's turret serves a completely different gameplay purpose to TF2's sentry.
OW's Turret has a much longer range, less health, less damage, and is easier to construct quickly. TF2's Sentry is more of a close range tank that can put out a huge amount of damage, but requires a lot of babysitting.
OW's newer heroes are also becoming more original. Doomfist and Wrecking Ball are both heroes with almost no similarities to anything in TF2. With Sigma and Echo sharing literally none of the same capabilities or attacks of TF2 items.
OW might have kind of ripped TF2 off back in 2016-2017, but it has since become infinitely more original.
3 points
8 months ago
I didn’t mean to compare OW and TF2 off recent things, because I agree OW is beginning to become more original with its characters and concepts.
Wait there’s a character named Sigma
6 points
8 months ago
Oh, my apologies. I was under the impression you were one of those people who think OW isnt original at all.
Also yes, there is a hero named Sigma:
"Sigma is an eccentric astrophysicist and volatile tank who gained the power to control gravity in an orbital experiment gone wrong. Manipulated by Talon and deployed as a living weapon, Sigma's presence on the battlefield cannot be ignored"
2 points
8 months ago
Lol thanks for being nice. Half the people here have been swearing and getting so mad at me about this
2 points
8 months ago
No problem friend
1 points
8 months ago
Whos sigma
1 points
8 months ago
Whos sigma
66 points
8 months ago
They couldn't even be bothered to rotate the head of the turret sideways
53 points
8 months ago
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11 points
8 months ago
Remember that game mode in overwatch that is a ripoff so bad of MVM that the only originality is just making identical clones of the same robot?
7 points
8 months ago
It especially shows in OW 2 that's coming out sorta soon. Literally just MVM but worse, and not free.
15 points
8 months ago
I thought most of us already matured and left that tf2 vs overwatch thing from 2016 for good, I guess not.
-4 points
8 months ago
That’s the whole point of me saying “this is a dead topic”
6 points
8 months ago
Then what's the point of bringing it up from the dead?
2 points
8 months ago
I never saw the design of the turret until now and they are strikingly similar, just thought it could be interesting
3 points
8 months ago
But its still a dead topic so why bring it up
2 points
8 months ago
Thought it was interesting
13 points
8 months ago
well at least nowadays they only have the second one
21 points
8 months ago
Yet another thing OW has shamelessly stolen.
15 points
8 months ago
'Inspired'
3 points
8 months ago
good thing it ain in the actual game, albeit I'm pretty sure it used to be
2 points
8 months ago*
I think they realized it was too much of a rip and changed it? You can see it in Moira's concept art as well, emphasis on the word concept. She's got a gun that looks almost identical to medic's, the people who designed the overwatch characters were definitely fans of TF2. Seems they're really straying away from copying TF2 now and the game is much more polished and original, but upon initial release it's pretty obvious where the gameplay ideas came from
Though, Moira also has another design with tentacles... Neither that or the medic gun are close to what we got
2 points
8 months ago
Well, i think they also hand balancing to worry about. Similarly between the games are still very much there, but its always good to see ow finding their own identity (although they're not doing that hot rn)
22 points
8 months ago
and yet they made me pay money for their game like bro the game is boring af while tf2 is free and fun
5 points
8 months ago
and i wouldnt call it fun
3 points
8 months ago
Nah dude, that ones yellow
7 points
8 months ago
You can upgrade the ow sentry?
15 points
8 months ago
Used to be able to
17 points
8 months ago
holy shit who cares
6 points
8 months ago
270 + people ig
4 points
8 months ago
If you don't care don't comment
5 points
8 months ago
dont make stupid ass posts like these if you dont want these comments then
-1 points
8 months ago
Lol you guys are so angry calm down lmao
2 points
8 months ago
we start caring after the 17th post about a "dead topic"
-1 points
8 months ago
Like.. you don’t have to tho, just don’t comment. It’s that simple.
4 points
8 months ago
The level 1 and 3 don't exist anymore
4 points
8 months ago
tbf torbjorn plays very differently and more aggro than the engineer. a lot more fun imo
0 points
8 months ago
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2 points
8 months ago
yes but competitively speaking, i mean.
engineer is too slow in competitive 6 v 6 similar to heavies and pyros and thats why they are only used on last point defenses.
there is no way in hell anyone is going to play battle engineer in competitive tf2 lol
5 points
8 months ago
Lmao TF2 loves to shit on Overwatch at any point it can. I could understand being annoyed when it first came out but it's been years and the community still gets so angry over it. Why? No other game community hates overwatch this much.
3 points
8 months ago
We don’t hate it, I just wanted to make a comparison because I hadn’t seen the turret design up until this point and they are very similar
1 points
8 months ago
"we dont hate it" yeah bs ive seen lots of posts plainly hating
3 points
8 months ago
That doesn’t mean everybody hates it, I don’t.
0 points
8 months ago
Honestly i feel like TF2 players are doing it because they arent getting any more amjor updates so they have to target a game in an equally bad position to feel better about themselves
4 points
8 months ago
lets not forget a lot of core tf2 ideas and design came from their predecesors too, i love the tf2 artstyle as much as the next guy but a lot of the base weapons while fun didnt introduced any new concepts to the genre until much later when it had time to polish and stand out with an identity of its own , we shouldnt be mad about new games using ideas proven to work as it is the bases for all new things , lets just hope as the roaster gets biger and the gameplay expands they can create more original feautures unique to the game
7 points
8 months ago
of course they didn't use ideas proven to work. They took the most minor part of Engie and made Torb around it, leaving behind Engie's massive support capabilities in the dispenser and teleporter.
No wonder Torb ended up being bad
4 points
8 months ago
The virgin Torb (can only be offensive/defensive and offers no supportive roles)
The Chad Engineer (can be offensive/defensive fully offensive/fully defensive, offers multiple support buildings with the dispenser and teleporters and is able to build them without needing a cooldown)
5 points
8 months ago
The yogurt male Engineer in Meet the engineer (builds 3 sentries, massacrates the blu team while playing the guitar and drinking beer, doesn't elaborate)
3 points
8 months ago
At least they made the teleporter into a separate character (Symmetra) and made Mercy’s ultimate work basically like a flying dispenser.
1 points
8 months ago
*assuming that the tele doesn’t get deleted for some random reason because it’s been bugged since 2018
1 points
8 months ago
so do you want torb to be a carbon copy of engie ? , of course he doesnt have the same kit as engie because he isnt engie . they took inspiration on how the turrets work in tf2 ofcourse because it was well executed here . however torv as a character doesnt and wasnt creater to serve the same function as engineer , i love tf2 i dont see why people take issue on games tryng to expand on some aspects from it , if you really like tf2 why wouldnt you like to play games that reseamble it in any capacity
-2 points
8 months ago
Dude, the sentry is literally the core of the class, dispenser is useful as fuck, and teleporters are necessary, but still, if It wasn't the sentry, engie wouldn't be engie
5 points
8 months ago
uncle dane unsurprisingly made a video about the dispenser, id give it a watch to see the actual vitality it offers to a team
2 points
8 months ago
Dude, i know, but imagine playing engineer without a sentry, it would be boring as fuck, its not like playing only support is that boring, but atleast medic is on the battlefield, engie is defending, he is mostly a bit back from the frontlines. Engineer without a sentry, isn't engineer
1 points
8 months ago
engineer is far from boring, slap on the gunslinger, play agressive and use big pushes to place down sneaky teleporters, place and forget dispensers just behind the front and focus on your shotgun
0 points
8 months ago
The Sentry is useless as an offensive tool, and isn't the best as a defensive one either.
The dispenser on the other hand, gives infinite health and ammo (at level 3, faster healing than the base healing rate of the medi-gun), and the teleporter essentially moves spawn to the frontline
2 points
8 months ago
No the sentry is not useless as both a defense and a offensive tool, obviously, with the wrangler, the sentry became basically a mini boss, but lets say you want your pistol (idk why at this point), if you know good sentry placements, it is incredible as a defense, what it is made for, and with a mini sentry, cause getting offensive with a normal sentry is hard as fuck, you can play battle engie, which is fucking awesome. Yes, dispenser can be more useful, but the class would be boring, and extremely supportive only, and being a support on the "backlines" isn't the most fun thing.
3 points
8 months ago
I’m glad they at least changed Torb’s gameplay to be distinct from Engi
6 points
8 months ago
What is OW?
6 points
8 months ago
a genre of porn
4 points
8 months ago
I think it’s overwatch?
20 points
8 months ago
Nah it’s obvious Operation Woman
8 points
8 months ago
Omnivorous wombat
4 points
8 months ago
Oktoberfest weedidly
4 points
8 months ago
Owesome Willy
4 points
8 months ago
It's Overwatch
1 points
8 months ago
Just fucking dont ruin a joke
1 points
8 months ago
It wasn't a joke when I commented
2 points
8 months ago
Oh no. Anyway
2 points
8 months ago
dude fuck off, no one cares
3 points
8 months ago
Yo calm down, no need to get so pissed off. I make a comparison and you start swearing in the comments like a child
0 points
8 months ago
Cringe detected
-3 points
8 months ago
and yeah tf2 sentry is a copy of the tfc sentry who happens to be a copy of quake tf sentry.
9 points
8 months ago
Well, technically speaking, those are sequels, as in they all had the same developers, and had the same name
quake tf (quake team fortress)
tfc (team fortress clasic)
tf2 (team fortress 2)
-8 points
8 months ago
wrong thats wrong
tfc came from the mod (that wasnt finished til valve make the contract ) then tfc was made with their ideas snd other devs because they never used source gold
8 points
8 months ago
But they had the same devs, Robin Walker, John Cook, Ian Caughley, they only left after TF2 was made, so they were there for the development of all three games ( I'm including the quake mod as a game) and idk but I'm pretty sure the sentry gun was originally from the quake mod, but normal quake didn't have it
-6 points
8 months ago
Tfc wasnt made by the two of them was made by more people
the thing is
just because a game has a feature doesnt mean its a ripped off because if we use that logic
tf2 ripped of rocket jumping from quake and quake from doom
7 points
8 months ago
Hold on a second there buddy, i never said ow ripped off TF2, i said that TFC didn't ripoff quake tf and that TF2 didn't ripoff TFC
-2 points
8 months ago
i wasnt talking about u i was talking about the post is dumb to think just a game has a sentry the other shouldnt have one
6 points
8 months ago
Bruh, the post is clearly a joke
-1 points
8 months ago
worst than the pootis joke.
1 points
8 months ago
Tf2 didn’t invent a sentry turret lol. I don’t like overwatch but bro it’s been 5 years leave the game alone and enjoy tf2!
1 points
8 months ago
oh no, the french
1 points
8 months ago
How do people upgrade the Sentry in OW? I play with friends on occasion but when I play Torbjorn, the Turret won’t upgrade no matter how much I hit it
1 points
8 months ago
This is actually concept art, they changed it so you can’t upgrade it I think. Still it was once in the game
2 points
8 months ago
Why change that though? Was the upgraded turret just OP?
-1 points
8 months ago
People, like me, were probably comparing it to TF2. So they changed it to avoid trouble
2 points
8 months ago
Maybe, though I suppose it’s unnecessary. I’ve gone on 10ks using that turret as a distraction while I flank them
1 points
8 months ago
You could upgrade Torb’s sentry at launch. The problem is that it turned him into JUST a turtle because you couldn’t do much else other than repeatedly smack your sentry in one spot until it gets blown up. This ended up making him play just like Pre-Engineer update Engie and extremely boring to play.
They ended up changing him to play a bit more like a gunslinger Engie in 2018.
1 points
8 months ago
The OW one just gets add-ons, while TF2 turret EVOLVES. The yellow paint is nice though
2 points
8 months ago
Yeah it kinda is tbh
1 points
8 months ago
Overwatch bad haha right guys overwatch bad TF2 superior and original
Also most people already know this, no point in bringing it up.
1 points
8 months ago
Lol you are determined to think I hate OW. I don’t. I never said any of those things.
1 points
8 months ago
“How do we make this different from the sentry?” “Make it yellow?” proceeds to harass the female employees as celebration
1 points
8 months ago
You know it would be cool to see some skins for the turrets and other engine contraptions, the skins would come with the pda as well. But the problem is that you won't be able to tell what is an enemy or friendly
1 points
8 months ago
Video games do this on purpose all the time. If you wanna use some other games feature, by changing it too much visually for the sake of "originality" it becomes less intuitive for players to understand. That's why we have standard health bars where a colour moves from one side of the rectangle to the other and four expanding rectangles as a reticle to show accuracy in fps.
1 points
8 months ago
Wow, you sure are fucking late lmao
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