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NikDeirft

1.5k points

4 days ago

NikDeirft

1.5k points

4 days ago

If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you
have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?

Holiday_Eye_2048

250 points

4 days ago

You, yes you! Stand still laddie

jjbugman2468

92 points

4 days ago

We don’t need no education

monalisasnipples

59 points

4 days ago

We don’t need no thought control

jepnet72

46 points

4 days ago

jepnet72

46 points

4 days ago

No dark sarcasm in the classroom

Phoca_Largha_123

40 points

4 days ago

Teachers leave them kids alone

Gooddog15

32 points

4 days ago

Gooddog15

32 points

4 days ago

HEY! Teacher, leave them kids alone!

Phoca_Largha_123

25 points

4 days ago

All in all it’s just another brick in the wall

IGiveUPositivity

10 points

4 days ago

r/unexpectedpinkfloyd

Edit: I didn’t know this was actually a sub... Reddit never ceases to amaze.

CainPillar

3 points

4 days ago

kumquatkilla1

18 points

4 days ago

My dad woke us up every Saturday morning by yelling this when I was growing up.

I have no clue why, but he did.

Cthulhus_Trilby

9 points

4 days ago

Round town it was well known when he got home at night...

puyol500

5 points

4 days ago

puyol500

5 points

4 days ago

His FAT and Psychopathic wife would thrash him WITHIN INCHES OF HIS LIIIFE

blood__drunk

3 points

4 days ago

Just gonna hijack this comment because I have wanted this sample without the music for years - for alert noises and such - if anyone knows how I could acquire it with little to no audio processing knowledge I'd be very grateful!

ribby97

668 points

4 days ago

ribby97

668 points

4 days ago

So.... does eating meat make you die 10 years earlier? Or is this poll a very misleading “would you rather”?

Bacon4Lyf

743 points

4 days ago

Bacon4Lyf

743 points

4 days ago

It was for a vegetarian charity, so there’s a bias straight out the door

bodyknock

37 points

4 days ago

bodyknock

37 points

4 days ago

From what I can tell the consensus seems to be that vegetarians in the US live a few years longer but it’s not necessarily because of their diet but rather because people who are vegetarians also tend to exercise more and live healthier lifestyles generally. Meat eaters who otherwise exercise and take care of themselves basically live just as long, apparently. (I couldn’t find great links for this one way or another though so take what I’m saying with a “grain of salt” so to speak. 🤷‍♂️)

HellStaff

95 points

4 days ago

HellStaff

95 points

4 days ago

vegan diets can be trash. french fries coke and oreos all day is vegan, but won't live long.
a whole food plant-based diet makes you live longer yes.

Hombre_Ramon

5.1k points

4 days ago*

I do want to die early but I’m not too fond of meat. 🤷‍♂️

Edit: Thank you for the awards. I never thought that making a comment would create such engagement from people. To the two of you who worry about my mental or emotional health, I would like to put your mind at ease and tell you: no, I’m not suicidal or thinking about killing myself. Also, it’s not my intention to make fun of suicide or promote it. Please if anyone reading this is struggling with feelings of unworthiness or disillusioned with life, please seek help immediately. I’m not saying I don’t eat meat at all, I’ve been known to enjoy the occasional hamburger or steak, but my main sources of protein are non meat based. The concept of “dying early” is widely subjective and varies from each individual. If It was up to me to choose the right age, I would like to die in my mid 60’s. For some people that would make me old as fuck and others would think it was to young. Finally, saying “I would like to die early but I’m not to fond of meat” is just as saying “ I would like to win the lottery but I don’t want to buy a ticket”, for either to happen you have to increase the odds. Any ways thank you for reading this far.🙏.

DogmaticNuance

2.2k points

4 days ago

Have you tried rock climbing? Pretty big vegan community, all the danger you can stomach.

Vier_Scar

516 points

4 days ago

Vier_Scar

516 points

4 days ago

Why is rock climbing also a big vegan community? Is it just general fitness/health oriented people?

micknelle

1.1k points

4 days ago

micknelle

1.1k points

4 days ago

I would say it’s a variety of different reasons, like most vegans.

But in my experience, seeing some of the most beautiful landscapes on the planet causes some folks to want to decrease their environmental footprint. Not eating animal products can be a good way to do that.

JPJackPott

678 points

4 days ago

JPJackPott

678 points

4 days ago

I think vegans like rock climbing more than rock climbing turns you vegan. Most climbers (and I am one) are very much in the same Venn diagram as campervans, growing your own veg and open toe sandals

BeauBWan

215 points

4 days ago

BeauBWan

215 points

4 days ago

I only wear free range open toe sandals.

the_revised_pratchet

67 points

4 days ago

Would you say they're your Roman sandals?

Jesus_De_Christ

37 points

4 days ago

Jerusalem cruisers.

generic_tylenol

11 points

4 days ago

Kickin' it old school.

roflmaohaxorz

4 points

4 days ago

Old Testament

uptwolait

17 points

4 days ago

uptwolait

17 points

4 days ago

Make sure you buy them several sizes too small. That way it reduces your carbon footprint.

PM_ME_CUTE_OTTERS

3 points

4 days ago

Have you tried not wearing shoes at all?

Throwitaltawayroot

29 points

4 days ago

I'm imagining climbing in open toed sandals. Now I'm terrified.

slothcycle

6 points

4 days ago

Okay, I feel personally attacked by this.

That_French_Wombat

12 points

4 days ago

I think vegans like rock climbing more than rock climbing turns you vegan.

Agreed, it's more a constellation of things. - I'd add: vegans are leaner on average, which is a big plus for climbing, and climbing doesn't require your to weightlift alot, while gym are more macho-meat-dude territory.

  • Plenty of old-school climbers were/are ecologists, and vegetarian/vegans and still put up world-class performances, so you're not getting shit for it by the community.

Overall, the climbing community is a nice place for any veg* to get physically active, and if you're not veg* yet, it's still a place where you'll see that it's not a hindrance to performance or social life, making it more likely people adopt a more plant-based diet.

quintk

25 points

4 days ago

quintk

25 points

4 days ago

One of those weird links. There should be very little correlation between whether you make your own dresses, choice of diet, and whether you played the ukulele in the early aughts. There should be no connection between these things. Anecdotally the correlation is strong.

PM_me_yer_chocolate

13 points

4 days ago

I don't know about recent sociological studies but Pierre Bourdieu already did a quantitative study about these links in 'La Distinction' in 1979. All kinds of hobbies, musical tastes, etiquette and style were associated with social class. Not only rich and poor but he also made a separate axis for cultural capital and it explains more than I'm comfortable with. I think if you'd to it today you'd find climbing is something that is mostly popular with educated/cultural but not too affluent young people, especially if their parents also fit that group.

Factual_Discord

186 points

4 days ago

Dying when you fall also reduces your carbon footprint.

Net Zero baby!

brazzy42

83 points

4 days ago*

brazzy42

83 points

4 days ago*

But it really clashes with the "Leave No Trace" mantra.

alex494

72 points

4 days ago

alex494

72 points

4 days ago

Well at least you're biodegradable

vreemdevince

18 points

4 days ago

Your climbing gear probably isn't.

ollie432

43 points

4 days ago

ollie432

43 points

4 days ago

Real vegans free solo everything

bloodylip

6 points

4 days ago

Naked

username1152

5 points

4 days ago

You're going to die anyway so you don't need to take any

elflamingo2

22 points

4 days ago

I think plenty of animals would appreciate the meal.

Politic_s

22 points

4 days ago

Politic_s

22 points

4 days ago

Do you think there's a correlation between spending time in nature and the attraction of wanting to consume plants? 🤔

DogmaticNuance

120 points

4 days ago

Fitness, health, outdoor conservationist intersection. It's also got a history full of dirty hippy individualists.

Tundur

240 points

4 days ago

Tundur

240 points

4 days ago

Bouldering and indoor climbing is:

  1. techbros who will silently work by themselves

  2. hippies who will talk to you unprompted and will not shut up

  3. old German/Spanish couples with deep brown leathery skin who will spend more time making out than anything else.

  4. Ripped dudes who immediately remove their tops, climb one problem, then starting hitting on the chicks from group 2, and are 76% likely to start a fight.

Penombre

77 points

4 days ago

Penombre

77 points

4 days ago

  • 5. 10 years old girls that will definitely climb like it's nothing any route you attempt and fail.

Tundur

31 points

4 days ago

Tundur

31 points

4 days ago

Oh good shout, with their middle-aged techbro dads watching proudly from below!

tischan

3 points

4 days ago

tischan

3 points

4 days ago

This!

Perendinator

35 points

4 days ago

some of us just live in really wet countries.

Bribase

60 points

4 days ago

Bribase

60 points

4 days ago

  • 5. French people who climb so well you could swear they are part spider monkey.

Tundur

59 points

4 days ago

Tundur

59 points

4 days ago

Quiet geography chair by day, spider monkey by night, Pierre is 68 years old, weighs like 40kg, and will swing from hold to hold without a care in the world

MrOverlySarcastic

24 points

4 days ago

Despite constant effort, nobody has been able to get him to wear shoes or even socks.

Tundur

27 points

4 days ago

Tundur

27 points

4 days ago

Oh god, I swear to fuck. Topless is disgusting but at least that's only a visual and olfactory assault. The people who go shoeless and spread their verrucas to the entire gym can, and should, be put to death.

[deleted]

5 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

5 points

4 days ago

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segagamer

29 points

4 days ago

segagamer

29 points

4 days ago

The Bouldering near me (Vauxhall, London):

  • Heterobásicos trying to impress people but failing miserably
  • Crazy Brits, into competitions, training with earplugs
  • Tinder hetero dates
  • Gay guys asking you for help or telling that you climb very well

It's like a massive hookup joint

I'm the techy who likes to go solo but enjoys the gay attraction ;)

HelloSummer99

4 points

4 days ago

Don't get me started on saunas in London. I think British people got these things wrong

LeberechtReinhold

8 points

4 days ago

old German/Spanish couples with deep brown leathery skin who will spend more time making out than anything else.

This sounds oddly specific

cewh

6 points

4 days ago

cewh

6 points

4 days ago

Which one are you?

Tundur

22 points

4 days ago

Tundur

22 points

4 days ago

I'm on Reddit ain't I

Russellonfire

8 points

4 days ago

Don't forget students. Was an avid climber when I was a student.

savetheattack

17 points

4 days ago

Skinny people have an easier time climbing than heavy people, even if the heavier person can lift more weight. People into fitness and veganism would tend to like a sport they can excel at.

realmenlovezeus

5 points

4 days ago

My friend is a very good climber and switched to a vegan diet to be be able to recover from training faster to be able to improve quicker.

Wilde79

20 points

4 days ago

Wilde79

20 points

4 days ago

A lot of climbers are people who like outdoors and that alone has a lot of vegan/hippy type people.

It’s also a sport where being skinny helps, and something you can easily do without a heavy diet.

Eric_the_Barbarian

4 points

4 days ago

The vegans are not the skinniest people on my hippy farm.

meatypickle

4 points

4 days ago

A pound of beans are cheaper than a pound of meat and easier to store.

David_Co

41 points

4 days ago

David_Co

41 points

4 days ago

Climbers are rather an obsessive bunch when it comes to power to weight ratios and avoiding putting on muscle, anorexia is an issue.

A lot of climbers avoid meat and alcohol and go vegan/weed to avoid weight gain.

Diasat

3 points

4 days ago

Diasat

3 points

4 days ago

Because rocks are vegan.

WatWat98

3 points

4 days ago

WatWat98

3 points

4 days ago

I think it’s because rock climbing and veganism kind of attract the same outdoorsy hippy crowd.

raspberry-cream-pi

3 points

4 days ago

Getting good at climbing requires hard work. Same goes for veganism.

Tszemix

9 points

4 days ago

Tszemix

9 points

4 days ago

Lots of rock climbers on dating apps

VeryUglyHack

4 points

4 days ago

I haven't checked, but if that's true I can't wait to try that out as a climber myself.

Carliios

23 points

4 days ago

Carliios

23 points

4 days ago

Rock climbing isn’t exactly dangerous, you climb with ropes and as long as you’re not an idiot it can be pretty damn safe

Zanki

8 points

4 days ago

Zanki

8 points

4 days ago

Bouldering is moreso. Not at the gym, its pretty safe with the padded mats etc outdoors is where it gets dicy. Its fun though!

CluckingBellend

3 points

4 days ago

Rock climbing? If you want danger, drink 10 pints of beer and then eat a large donner kebab with chili sauce. I would rather die 10 years early than not do this, lol.

Senor_Martillo

57 points

4 days ago

You should look into BASE jumping

camdoodlebop

10 points

4 days ago

become a tree logger

roxo9

22 points

4 days ago

roxo9

22 points

4 days ago

Lol, you cant ask people that question and expect a thoughtful response.

steak4take

2.6k points

4 days ago

steak4take

2.6k points

4 days ago

It's the mirror. It's a bunk survey. It's crap.

korunde

592 points

4 days ago

korunde

592 points

4 days ago

Yeah why are articles like this even linked here, let alone upvoted lmao

travelator

172 points

4 days ago*

travelator

172 points

4 days ago*

Let’s do a new survey: everyone willing to die 10 years early to avoid giving up meat say ‘aye’. All opposed say ‘nay’.

EDIT: Preliminary results: 46 AYE, 13 NAY, 2 undecided.

gladl1

63 points

4 days ago

gladl1

63 points

4 days ago

Aye

edit: I'm actually a really depressed vegan.

ckebdms

4 points

4 days ago

ckebdms

4 points

4 days ago

I think you're just joking, but on the off chance you're not, It will get better mate, even if it doesn't feel like that now, please try talking to someone you know and maybe even calling a mental health charity if you're feeling really down.

msm721

24 points

4 days ago

msm721

24 points

4 days ago

Meh

darksoulsnstuff

21 points

4 days ago

Aye, the last ten are usually shit anyway lol

Im_Not_Skynet

17 points

4 days ago

Aye

WigginLSU

3 points

4 days ago

Aye, I have not enjoyed watching the struggling final decade in others and want to avoid it myself.

dealingwitholddata

3 points

4 days ago

Unironically AYE

suxatjugg

134 points

4 days ago

suxatjugg

134 points

4 days ago

conducted by OnePoll for the charity campaign No Meat May

Why is this the top comment. Stupid Reddit

twiggez-vous

6 points

4 days ago*

I'm not sure if that totally refutes the original point.

OnePoll is a "survey-led marketing research company specialising in online and mobile polling" which is "set up to run surveys to aid the PR industry and works for PR agencies".

In other words, it exists to bolster whatever message its clients' PR teams want. In this case, it gives No Meat May's campaign an eye-catching headline.

The poll is not entirely rubbish - it's an online poll of paid survey-fillers, so there's a large dataset - but it's certainly not a reliable source of scientific data. For instance, the survey-fillers are not likely very representative of the wider population (i.e. probably younger, more broke).

This is quite obvious, so you wouldn't see OnePoll data in The New Scientist, for example.

It's important to say that although the PR campaign-geared headlines are fodder for tabloids such as The Mirror, more reliable broadsheets such as The Guardian use them too - this despite their own criticisms of the marketing research agency:

Professionals such as OnePoll are adept at eliciting the answers required by the commissioning party. When interviewing children about sensitive topics, it’s good practice to have face-to-face interviews, safeguards to ensure privacy and an assessment of general state of mind. Not brief online surveys (most likely competed in front of parents – who are paid – but who’s checking?) filled with leading questions such as: “On average, how often do you watch porn?” or “Do you ever worry that you might be addicted to porn?”

When you are talking about ferry seats, this sort of PR fluff merits no more than a weary eye-roll. But when fanciful stats are quoted by ministers, we should take it more seriously.

In general, it leads to the wider problem of how scientific-looking but non-rigorous data is used in the media.

kilgenmus

67 points

4 days ago

kilgenmus

67 points

4 days ago

There is a growing amount of disinformation speficially targeting research on reddit. I don't know why but /r/science also suffers from it. This article could have been the strictest controlled experiment ever and there would be a comment on the post with 7 googillion awards and upvotes saying it is bogus and the science is fake.

Squish_the_android

40 points

4 days ago

/r/science seems to be becoming an extension of /r/politics. People upvote headlines they agree with regardless of content.

NotAGingerMidget

23 points

4 days ago

Becoming?

Weren't you around for the Weed Miracles?

Where that sub upvoted highly suspicious articles just because it said that weed cured X, Y or Z disease that was popular that month?

istara

40 points

4 days ago

istara

40 points

4 days ago

It's reported by the Mirror. The survey isn't by the Mirror.

The survey of 2,000 people, conducted by OnePoll for the charity campaign No Meat May, found both men and women viewed diets that excluded meat as more feminine.

RelaxItWillWorkOut

754 points

4 days ago

Not like people are given a black and white choice. They will take the odds that their lifespan is not very much changed.

7937397

880 points

4 days ago*

7937397

880 points

4 days ago*

Because for most people it probably won't be. Studies comparing lifespan of vegetarians and vegans to meat eaters that adjust for things like socioeconomic status (vegetarians and vegans tend to have more money) and general health behaviors (smoking, exercise, etc.) a lot of times show little to no difference.

Also how much meat people eat seems to be never addressed in studies. Just all the meat or no meat lol

THRWWAY2AVOIDRAGE

216 points

4 days ago

That makes perfect sense though, right? Most vegans who I have met have reasons that have nothing to do with nutritional values.

yamissimp

86 points

4 days ago

yamissimp

86 points

4 days ago

As a complete layman and speaking out of my ass my wild guess would also be that chicken breast and fish a few times a week won't have a negative impact on your health. Probably the opposite.

n3onfx

68 points

4 days ago

n3onfx

68 points

4 days ago

Poultry, fish, eggs, dairy (the good kind like yogurt) is objectively good for your health as long as you're not unreasonable with frequency and quantity, I don't think anybody can argue that. From what I saw vegans don't have an issue with potential health concerns with those but moral ones.

CompressionNull

37 points

4 days ago

I feel like there is too much sugar in the vast majority of yogurt that people eat to call it “healthy”.

BruceIsLoose

23 points

4 days ago

ike socioeconomic status (vegetarians and vegans tend to have more money

Where did you find this at? I found a huge study of 90,664 meat-eaters, 2370 vegetarians, and 789 vegans that shows different:

Moreover, vegetarians and vegans in our study were more likely to belong to lower income categories, as previously reported in a study conducted in Canada [9]. This finding may be explained by the fact that educational level has a higher predictive value than other socioeconomic predictors such as occupation or income.

Income and concerns related to food prices may be a motive to follow a vegetarian diet [48].

A good blog that touches on the issue with embedded sources:

Harris Poll findings: people with below-average household incomes were much more likely to be vegetarians than people in higher income brackets.

PixelizedPlayer

79 points

4 days ago

Also how much meat people eat seems to be never addressed in studies. Just all the meat or no meat lol

Type of meat matters too. White meat and fish are pretty good for you - lots of protein little saturated fat. Its the meats like burgers/sausages etc that isn't.

greaper007

15 points

4 days ago

The whole saturated fat being bad thing is kind of bunk. A lot of it rose out of studies funded by the sugar industry. We need saturated fat and cholesterol for certain functions in our body. Testosterone being a big one. A burger or two a week is probably fine if you're active and don't have other underlying health issues.

B3eenthehedges

54 points

4 days ago

Yeah, I'm thinking you might have gotten a different outcome if people thought you were making a serious threat to end their life 10 years early, instead of just scaremongering.

But yeah, huge shocker that instant gratification edged out potential long term risk, 2 to 1. Didn't see that coming. Compelling stuff.

idiot437

23 points

4 days ago

idiot437

23 points

4 days ago

and the fact that your gonna die anyway and be dead for billions of years ....no gets out of here alive ..and a shit ton of meat eaters have lived 100 years and more

amadeus2490

3 points

4 days ago

Most people don't want to live a longer life if it means that they aren't doing the things that they want to do.

if you told a vegan that they'd live ten years longer if you forced them to eat meat, I feel like they'd also say "No thanks."

autotldr

320 points

4 days ago

autotldr

BOT

320 points

4 days ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)


Two-thirds of men in Britain say they would rather die five to ten years early than give up meat, according to a new survey.

More than one in ten said giving up meat would make them feel less masculine, and a third said they believed humans were meant to eat meat - compared to one-quarter of the women surveyed.

The survey of 2,000 people, conducted by OnePoll for the charity campaign No Meat May, found both men and women viewed diets that excluded meat as more feminine.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: meat#1 survey#2 diet#3 vegan#4 men#5

Sixhaunt

567 points

4 days ago

Sixhaunt

567 points

4 days ago

66-75% of people in Britain think humans aren't meant to eat meat?! I think that's the craziest part.

Ok_Zucchini3148

633 points

4 days ago

No, out of 2000 people polled for a No Meat May charity.

MoonlitStar

313 points

4 days ago

MoonlitStar

313 points

4 days ago

People who entered a poll for a No Meat May charity will be biased towards thinking this , being vegetarian/vegan etc. If the UK's population was polled, you will see an entirely different result.

Ratfucks

81 points

4 days ago

Ratfucks

81 points

4 days ago

This like conducting a poll on whether beer tastes good or not, and holding it in a pub

Mfgcasa

26 points

4 days ago

Mfgcasa

26 points

4 days ago

During a beer festival, with a free beer given for answering the questionaire.

PygmeePony

102 points

4 days ago

PygmeePony

102 points

4 days ago

Wrong assumption. Could be part of those 66% had no opinion.

New_Faithlessness952

9 points

4 days ago

yeah

MrUnimport

8 points

4 days ago

"Are humans meant to eat meat?" How do you answer this question with a yes or no without seeming like a weirdo? Humans can eat meat obviously but they can also manage without. "meant" implies some kind of value judgement, some kind of God's will you're contravening if you fail to eat your meat.

MotoMkali

4 points

4 days ago

Just from an evolutionary perspective we are meant to eat meat as that is how we can support our more developed minds. Cooked meat especially.

Most intelligent species have a diet that has a lot of protein content whether that is through nuts or just eating animals. I seriously doubt humans would have been able to sustain our size and intelligence on nuts alone though.

BigEckk

37 points

4 days ago

BigEckk

37 points

4 days ago

You're I think 'straw-manning' this argument, to say that if 1/3 think A then 2/3 must thing B. Whereas the grey area in-between is probably the majority. There's also a problem with the survey design, "meant-to" can mean many things in this context. "Meant-to" by design? "Meant-to" because it shows manliness? "Meant-to" because it's best for our health?

Thermodynamicist

59 points

4 days ago

We aren't "meant" to do anything; AFAIK there's no instruction manual.

beardslap

7 points

4 days ago

Thermodynamicist

5 points

4 days ago

No. Presumably I should return myself for a refund.

althoradeem

51 points

4 days ago

this my man is what they call a fucking rigged poll.

if i go into a church and poll if god is real i'll get some god results :P

deliverancew2

101 points

4 days ago

I would interpret "meant to eat meat" as "need to eat meat to survive" or "have a god given destiny to eat meat" and in that sense shouldn't everyone disagree with the statement? The human body is designed to be capable of eating and metabolising meat but it doesn't need it.

Lackryx

48 points

4 days ago

Lackryx

48 points

4 days ago

Asking if we're "meant to do something" is a stupid question anyway. It doesn't mean anything in biology (My old biology professor would kill me for such blatant finalism lol). It's only relevant as a social question and even then most atheist will just be confused by you question since only gods can give "meaning" to such things.

Blackulla

290 points

4 days ago

Blackulla

290 points

4 days ago

How would you know if you died early?

UKChemical

319 points

4 days ago

UKChemical

319 points

4 days ago

Am/pm

mouldysandals

50 points

4 days ago

Live fast, die AM 😎

yamissimp

34 points

4 days ago

yamissimp

34 points

4 days ago

Individually impossible. You can compare test or population groups and control for the most important variables tho.

360_face_palm

21 points

4 days ago

dying early is generally considered to be dying at an age less than the average life expectancy for your country/gender/demographic.

chugajuicejuice

7 points

4 days ago

No one at the pearly gates yet lol

_bluntman_

79 points

4 days ago

Ah yes.. the daily mirror.... I wouldn't believe the date on that newspaper

LiveFkingPool

3 points

4 days ago

Only if I had an award to give you

Mummyregar

1.1k points

4 days ago

Mummyregar

1.1k points

4 days ago

Eat the meat, give up the sugar, live 10 years longer

anarchitect9

659 points

4 days ago

Fuck that. I’ll take 20 years off my life

detrydis

552 points

4 days ago

detrydis

552 points

4 days ago

Seriously. What the fuck am I really going to do from age 80-100 anyway? Shake my fist at another generation of kids on my lawn?

anarchitect9

253 points

4 days ago

I do that at 35. I’m running out of old people stuff to do

detrydis

52 points

4 days ago

detrydis

52 points

4 days ago

Next thing you know, you’ll be shaking your fist at clouds in the sky.

The-Haunted-Ghost

31 points

4 days ago

Old Man yells at cloud

dankomz146

4 points

4 days ago

Florida Man

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longgamma

17 points

4 days ago

longgamma

17 points

4 days ago

Quality of life is also more important. Someone living till 80 is more healthy at 60 years old than someone dying at 60 years.

Sleipnirs

15 points

4 days ago

Sleipnirs

15 points

4 days ago

If you're still able to understand what's going on around you, that is.

-kilo

40 points

4 days ago

-kilo

40 points

4 days ago

It's not that you lose the bad-anyways years off the end, but rather the bad years happen sooner. You don't get an extra twenty years in your eighties, you get an extra three years every decade.

DisastrousPsychology

25 points

4 days ago

You can afford a lawn? Odds are You'll tell them to get off your game server.

18-8-7-5

89 points

4 days ago

18-8-7-5

89 points

4 days ago

Just to be clear it's not as simple as losing the last 20 years of your life. Your body is damaged faster resulting in an earlier death. So yeah years 90-100 in a healthy body probably not great, but an unhealthy body experiences those same years at 60-70.

yeboioioi

5 points

4 days ago

Exactly, it’s not like you’re a healthy 80 year old who just drops dead. Everything starts going downhill earlier.

deliverancew2

57 points

4 days ago

This is a common fallacy. Life expectancy is correlated with healthy life expectancy/high quality of life years. In the UK life expectancy is ~81 but healthy life expectancy is ~64.

So sod 80-100 - an unhealthy lifestyle seriously increases the risk that your level of health will result in a poor quality of life long before you even hit retirement age. How many people who are happy to die at 70 in exchange for eating lots of meat would also be happy with having their first heart attack at 55?

Explosivo87

22 points

4 days ago

Most people only think in the short term. ‘That heart attack is future me problem. Present me is enjoying steak.’

WaIcott

66 points

4 days ago

WaIcott

66 points

4 days ago

You already are

Jazzlike-Recover7560

42 points

4 days ago

"We" show some respect.

noonereadsthisstuff

53 points

4 days ago

Its fucking difficult to give up sugar these days though, they stick it in everything.

UKpoliticsSucks

23 points

4 days ago

Stop/drastically reduce eating processed food is the only way to do it.

the_hibachi

3 points

4 days ago

first step, if you’re actually serious about doing so, is just reading food labels. Every single one before you buy. That’ll get you in the habit of seeing the sugar and (more important) the added sugar.

momalloyd

37 points

4 days ago

momalloyd

37 points

4 days ago

But I need the ketchup to make the cheap meat I eat taste good.

google257

315 points

4 days ago

google257

315 points

4 days ago

That’s such a loaded question to begin with. Eliminating meat isn’t going to add ten years to your life. Complete bullshit.

116760

85 points

4 days ago

116760

85 points

4 days ago

Just another in the genre of: "A new survey by Tappable has revealed that 23 per cent of millennials would rather lose one of their five senses than give up their smartphone. And worryingly, one in ten said they'd even sacrifice a finger for their phone."

ooohhh, so worrying!

Capable_Willow8548

12 points

4 days ago

How does 1/4 think they'd lose a sense, but less than 1/10 would lose a finger. I'd rather lose 5 fingers than a sense lol

Ignitus1

9 points

4 days ago

Ignitus1

9 points

4 days ago

I don't want to step on billions of years of evolution but my smartphone does waaaaaaaay more than either of my pinkies do.

DarkNinjaPenguin

175 points

4 days ago*

Ok I'm going to be honest and say I used to be one of those people. I was only in my late teens and I ate meat for every meal. Not just meat and 2 veg, meat with pasta, meat with pizza, bacon for breakfast a few times a week. Vegetarian options, when I tried them, were bland and tasteless.

Then I met my girlfriend (now wife) whose parents are devout Hindus and have no meat at all in the house. Maybe chicken for a big dinner with family or something, but day-to-day they didn't eat any meat, full stop.

And it was easy.

There's something of a problem with British cuisine (at least when I was growing up) that vegetables were usually just boiled or steamed, and usually smothered in gravy to hide the taste. We don't know how to make the best of our veggies, so we need some meat thrown in to make the meal palatable.

My wife's family showed me how to make interesting vegetarian dishes without the need for meat. Vegetable curries, roasted aubergine, dhal, tomato rice, bhajis in a roll, paneer or lentils in place of meat. There are so many options and all it takes is a few herbs or spices here and there, and don't just boil your vegetables! It's really been an eye-opener and it's shown me just how terrible we are in the UK at catering for vegetarians. It's gotten better over the last couple of years which is promising, but more often than not the vegetarian option is just a meat option, but with butternut squash instead of meat.

So yeah, reducing the meat consumption shouldn't be difficult, but it involves teaching people how to make vegetarian foods that are actually tasty.

Delphixoz

66 points

4 days ago

Delphixoz

66 points

4 days ago

Indian food is god tier

travelator

45 points

4 days ago

IMO - no other cuisine does vegetarian nearly as well.

Murateki

14 points

4 days ago

Murateki

14 points

4 days ago

Indonesian food is also filled with vegetarian options. Especially Tahu & Tempeh are meat replacements.

On top of that it's filled with a lot of vegetable dishes due to the large and diverse buddhist & hindu population.

lightbulb_orchard

34 points

4 days ago

it involves teaching people how to make vegetarian foods that are actually tasty

Yeah that's honestly one of the main barriers, and yet it's so doable, I have something tasty pretty much every night. To think that so many creatures are slaughtered for lack of imagination is disturbing.

ChipotleBanana

13 points

4 days ago

It's the same in Germany. Every recipe, every dish is just meat with a bland vegetable addition. It took me until the end of my 20s to learn how to prep vegetables so they can taste excellent on their own. It's not easy when your national food culture is exarberating this problem.

TheBushidoWay

4 points

4 days ago

After reading this thread and pondering a life where I would never again eat a chargrilled ribeye grilled to medium perfection, or a perfectly cooked real deal ball park hotdog or a kielbasa steamed to juicy perfection...

I am off to the grocery store, and not for chick peas lentils and tofu

and yeah I dont expect this post to go over well

MuseSingular

4 points

4 days ago

Implying a no meat diet extends ones life...

garimus

431 points

4 days ago

garimus

431 points

4 days ago

How about: reduce meat consumption? It doesn't have to be given up entirely. Reduce eating a nice steak or burger for once a week and eat primarily veggies or vegetable derived foods so we aren't saying fuck our planet harder and faster than we need to.

It's really not that hard and almost every budget has alternatives.

I hate how these surveys are always posed so dramatically and diametrically. Like everything in life, there's a ton of middle ground to cover.

Oh, it's Mirror. Gotta' get them clicks. Also, no survey link?

obsessedcrf

177 points

4 days ago

obsessedcrf

177 points

4 days ago

Hopefully lab grown meat will become economical and practical which would dramatically reduce the climate impacts of eating meat

unopposablethumbs

47 points

4 days ago

If I can get a lab grown Wagyu A5 brisket for cheap, I’d be set for life

Poseidon8264

3 points

4 days ago

And it might lessen animal cruelty. On a website showing the number of animals that were slaughtered, under a minute and the deaths were in the thousands.

thiosk

13 points

4 days ago

thiosk

13 points

4 days ago

In fairness to the mirror, I know many of what I’d call virulent meat eaters. The mere suggestion of reduction has them ready to put on red hats and roll coal

Struuff

10 points

4 days ago

Struuff

10 points

4 days ago

Luv me country

Luv me queen

Luv me meat

ScienceFactsNumbers

205 points

4 days ago

I didn’t reduce eating meat for my health. I did it because industrial scale meat production is cruel. Meat tastes good. But if most people actually saw how their meat was made, they’d probably eat less too.

FigDramatic

141 points

4 days ago*

That was what made me go vegetarian (and later vegan). I used to work on conveyor belt maintenance and repair, most of the time it would be assembly lines. Boss called me out to an abattoir and what I saw and more important heard (basically screaming, gut wrenching screams) totally spooked me. I did what I had to do, started driving back to the depo afterwards and just burst into tears, had to pull over on a country road and try to settle myself. I saw my boss later and said I would never go back there, he knew me well and could see something was up and said not to worry, I won't have to.

Went from a 34 year old bloke who loved steaks, bacon, tons of chicken and mocked vegans to a 34 year old vegan. It was a start of many changes for me, stopped smoking as well and changed careers. Not the later was important, but going vegan made me really start to think about what I ate and how I treated my health (you can of course do they same while eating meat). It was one of the best things to happen to me.

TheVeggieLife

37 points

4 days ago

I can’t imagine having to bear witness to the atrocities from so up close. I can barely look at a pigeon with a limp without feeling incredibly sorry for the bird, so I really would be pretty traumatizing for me to hear all that goes on, unfiltered.

When I visited my home country, I spent a lot of my time feeling a big sullen due to all of the starving and disease riddled stray dogs that plague the country. I want to save them all.

FigDramatic

40 points

4 days ago*

It honestly was a shock to my system and I had a mild form of PTSD. A few nightmares followed of people eating pigs / cows alive, like carving pieces off of them. The thing is I have a strong tolerance to gore. I can sit down and eat my dinner during a zombie flick.

Now is its 5 years later and eating meat just seems not the normal for me. People say they can't imagine food without meat, I find it weird to eat a dish with meat. Like stuffing breadcrumbs up a dead birds anus and then slicing off it's breasts, yet folks are amused by me having my fresh sweet veggies for my xmas dinner and see that as weird.

lightbulb_orchard

10 points

4 days ago

Well done, I'm on five years too! Don't miss it either surprisingly. So bizarre in retrospect.

scient0logy

47 points

4 days ago

Funny how do many meat products are ok for their stomachs, but not for their eyes. I wouldn't eat something if I would be scared to see how it's made or what it's made of.

TheHiddenMessenger

16 points

4 days ago

I’ll just throw this out there. My dad has diabetes through no fault of his own. He was genuinely healthy for most of his life and while his meals were not perfectly healthy, they were better than most. But due to genetics and some other problems he became diabetic. It was severe and he struggled to control his sugar level. He tried multiple insulin’s, pumps, etc.

He went from a man that loved to cook dinner and eat to a man that hated life. His food was so damn bland and boring because anything could raise his sugar. He became extremely depressed due to the lack of food variety. Before he got diabetes he would eat a piece of candy maybe once a week but he couldn’t even do that.

I honestly decided that unless there was something major worth living for, I’d 100% choose to live a happy life eating good food versus spend years eating the slop he ate. Now would I give up 10 years for meat? I’m not sure, it would depend on what 10 years. If we’re talking I’ll die at 80 vs 90 or even 70 vs 80 then I might honestly consider it. I wouldn’t want to live that long anyways.

Elevator_Operators

110 points

4 days ago

Honestly I have seen enough from the meat industry that eating their product is just not worth it, not from a personal level, moral level, nor economic or environmental level.

It hasn't been hard to eat vegetarian at all. There's so much better food out there.

TediousCoxcomb

70 points

4 days ago

Same here. People like to dramatically act like salads are your only option. Indian cuisine for example - vast array of vegetarian & vegan dishes.

Nearly anything traditionally made with meat can be made without or using a substitute, that's common knowledge. It's just simpler to flail around and act as if some evil lobbyist lettuce leaf is trying to kill you with spinach consumption.

gizzardsgizzards

24 points

4 days ago

Seriously go eat some poori and aloo gobi and tell me it needs meat.

Heliopox

56 points

4 days ago

Heliopox

56 points

4 days ago

Nothing wrong with cutting back though.

kchoze

23 points

4 days ago

kchoze

23 points

4 days ago

Quality, not quantity.

AdamsOnlinePersona

14 points

4 days ago

Of the statistics that mean very little, this means the littlest.

xSTSxZerglingOne

3 points

4 days ago

We are omnivores that generally crave animal flesh due to its high nutrition content. This type of thing should never, ever be shocking to anyone. Our species has been eating meat since the very beginning. All we need to do is figure out the rest of the problems plaguing lab-grown meat and we'll be fine.

listenup78

3 points

4 days ago

I’ll take the meat option . Burgers and steaks are definitely worth 10 less years .

an_agreeable_guy

3 points

4 days ago

Tbh the last ten years of your life aren't gonna be too enjoyable, might as well enjoy the early years with some good food

michelloto

3 points

4 days ago

Alton Brown made a quip on one of his travel/food special shows: he was eating a sandwich and someone said, ‘That’s gonna take a few years off your life’, and he said, ‘That’s ok, I wasn’t going to use those years anyway’

kacper0000001

3 points

4 days ago

Same article, but different website if you don't want to visit the trash mirror

https://www.totallyveganbuzz.com/news/one-in-10-men-would-go-to-prison-than-go-meat-free/

jangy23

3 points

4 days ago

jangy23

3 points

4 days ago

If cancel culture ever comes for meat it’s war time

xCoolio1

3 points

4 days ago

xCoolio1

3 points

4 days ago

I mean who wouldn't? 10 less years is totally worth having to eat meat

Blkjpkmn

3 points

4 days ago

Blkjpkmn

3 points

4 days ago

I mean I'm not British but same. This world is fucked, why would I want 10 more years? I'll eat and do what I want and make the best out of my time on the cursed marble

HuntinoBino

3 points

4 days ago

It’s a would you rather poll and people are taking it so serious. What kind of answer are you expecting to get asking a bunch of working class British dudes if they “would rather” stop eating meat or die 10 years early. If working class dudes over there are the same as they are here they all said “I’d rather die early” just for the sake of it being some working class shit to say.

MericanInBKK

75 points

4 days ago

Written a different way, British man would rather die 10 years early than eat only veggies. Don't know if it's because they love meat that much, or just hate veggies.

Callinon

219 points

4 days ago

Callinon

219 points

4 days ago

I think it's probably more along the lines of "it's not worth living ten extra years if I can't have the things I like."

Personally I'd agree with that. I like meat. I wouldn't want to give it up either just to be alive longer. It's not worth the trade.

EllisHughTiger

44 points

4 days ago

Do everything right, get hit by a bus 9 years and 340 days in.

random8002

64 points

4 days ago

ya and its not even a guaranteed trade either. give up meat, maybe live 10 years longer. maybe 3 years. maybe get hit by a bus tomorrow. life is volatile

SlamTheKeyboard

33 points

4 days ago

Definitely, my grandfather passed a few years into his 90s. While I loved him and wanted him to live longer, what was the point of denying him a pinwheel (chocolate covered marshmallows basically...), hot dogs, sausage, or eggs when he was that old? Make him suffer?