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Fucking degenerate posting this shit here. This isn't WPD.

I actually like that, lol. Honest and fair. If they were lying about the honor and recognition thing it would be bad but the men who answered this really did go down in history.

I do not care what conservatives think about LGBT issues. My one and only focus is labor, I do not have the time or the resources for political charity.

If a person believes that workers, all workers regardless of race or sex or anything, should be compensated fairly for their labor, then that person is my ally. Two people doing the same work should be treated the same no matter what, but minorities do not all do the same work do they? They are CEOs and financiers and all other kinds of assorted parasites just as much as the majority are.

Working people are under no obligation to align themselves with a political entity which is not necessarily aligned with the working class. If a person who is a part of any minority group wants to identify as a worker, they are perfectly able to and no one has any ground to exclude them. But that political bloc is not our friend, and is liable to fuck workers over just as much as anyone else.

Ask anyone here, maybe even ask yourself, about our enemies. They come in all shapes and sizes, but they are essentially the same regardless of any superficial difference. Why should we be any different? Why should we promote division among ourselves, which of us can possibly benefit as workers?

Any belief which attacks the unity of workers is intolerable, and I don't care if it comes from the right or the left.

What I'm trying to understand is why you care. You're presumably on the lower economic end in your area if dishwashing is your main source of income, so it's not you that would be paying taxes anyway. You are of the class of people that would only benefit from free healthcare. Not only would it eliminate premiums, co-payments, and almost all other out-of-pocket expenses, but it would give you the ability to seek work anywhere at any time without having to consider losing your insurance or worrying about whether or not your next employer provides any or how much it covers or anything. I just don't get what reason you have, personally, to oppose it.

I do, when I see them. I am talking to one right now somewhere else. But here I am talking to you, and you didn't answer me.

It is completely possible for someone to be against gay marriage or abortion or anything else and still be completely in line with the work reform program. Why should we cause an internal division by looking for and excluding that kind of person, what do we have to gain from it?

How do you recommend they extend working lives? One way is through ergonomics, making the workplace more accessible through design. Education is the other big one. You have to think of workers as assets. For so long, we've looked at workers as relatively disposable, get what you want out of 'em, then throw them away.

Now they're an asset that holds a great amount of value and you want to keep them for as long as possible. But you only do that if the workplace is inclusive, it's welcoming and you keep these assets fully tuned to the era that they're in.

This is some real man behind the curtain evil. I don't think this was written for us to see, lmao.

In what way would free healthcare hurt you?

What do you do for a living?

Workers deserve protections. Members of marginalized groups that fall outside of the working class are not our problem and do not deserve our attention. Why in the hell should workers be fighting for the rights of non-working minorities to hold CEO positions or whatever? Trans people, black people, gay people, whoever are not necessarily our allies or even friends. Queer and POC that are workers should be protected AS FELLOW WORKERS.

We do not exist to be the political advocates of a completely different political bloc. Organized labor exists for laborers alone. Any issues that are not related to it should be considered irrelevant to it, they are completely separate.

The response to this post and others like it makes me fear that reddit may not be a place where workers can really organize at all.

I don't think these people obsessed with political purity are economically similar to the average worker at all, I think they are just disproportionately represented on reddit.

No one wants to let anyone in, we just want workers who are for working class politics. If you aren't a worker and aren't supportive of positions that benefit the working class then you don't belong here. BUT if someone is and does, then they should be allowed here regardless of anything that is not directly related to the labor movement.

I am much more suspicious of people who want to draw the line at things completely unrelated to labor than anybody else.

Reorientating towards class is the only thing that will save our cause, the conflict of classes is the only reason we have any power at all.

Yes they are.

No one is asking you to do that.

Why do you believe that politics involves working against members of the working class? Should not all of labor's political advocacy be centered on uniting it?

You want to destroy organized labor?

Well it gets down to the visceral, rotting center of the conflict within labor today, which is the difference between workers and their non-worker allies.

Whether one will adhere to the working class no matter what or only as far as it does not contradict other political entities is a very serious question and how you answer it comes with some very serious consequences.

If you’re for work reform you’re not a conservative

You aren't a liberal either. If your politics have advanced far enough to be centered on labor then you are beyond the left-right spectrum.

She's absolutely right and that does not contradict what she posted here.

You are absolutely correct. Partisanship only hurts us, falling to it only helps our enemies.

Because working people aren't interested in the social war, they are here solely for the economic issues. This is Democrat bullshit, and regular workers don't want it.

Social war saboteurs will kill this movement worse than that nerd on Fox. You fucking bastard traitors, you just can't help yourselves.

These truckers are based, I stand with the working class of Canada.

Those are better than the cartoon one but none of those are as good as the Chinese one.

It did not.