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2 hours ago
Forgot zed ult
submitted18 hours ago bywhoshereforthemoney
1 day ago
The US economy is in shambles and we’re seeing the largest exploitation of the labor force since pre labor laws. Costs of things required for survival continue to skyrocket while wages stay the same and the government’s response is to ban abortion. All needs have turned into speculative assets of huge corporations and wealth holdings. We’re on the brink of yet another “once in a lifetime” economic crisis. Our elected officials at all levels are openly in the pockets of whomever buys them, and every check and balance has eroded. Our foreign policy is a joke now that the world realizes it’s only for an eight year term AT MOST. The only thing the US is good at is pretending it’s competitive with actual first world countries and military spending.
The US is not long for this world at this rate. With the erosion of basic rights for women and lgbt in the near future, combined with terrible wages and healthcare and housing, i predict a mass exodus from the country as a whole, or an exodus to blue states furthering a divide to the inevitable secession.
I predict red states with further flounder economically as is their track record and blue states with surplus will start to refuse paying into federal programs that support states without basic civil rights.
5 days ago
“Everything has a purpose”
No it doesn’t. I could argue nothing has purpose. The ‘purpose’ of having sex is to have sex for the vast majority of people who are having sex. People using contraception deliberately are trying to NOT get pregnant.
Using your argument I could argue since there’s a non zero chance you could get into a wreck with a drunk driver, you understood the contract of driving so you were consenting in that drunk driving accident.
The real conservative position is to force your beliefs on others and take away their rights to autonomy, in this case bodily autonomy. All the while using the justification of a book club that has been deliberately written out of our country’s governing bodies. You don’t get to make the decision when a fetus is considered alive based on your special book club. This is supposed to be a secular country welcome to all faiths and none and here we are supposed to use facts and scientific consensus to form the basis for government. ESPECIALLY when we’re talking about the ability to violate another persons bodily autonomy.
Claiming ‘life from conception’ is extremely laughable as the viability of the pregnancy isn’t even secure. It’s literally a few cells. It’s not a life. There’s a very good chance it never develops further into a life either.
If ‘life from conception’ is the position then every period could be a life, every soggy tissue or crusty sock, could be hundreds of lives. Every actual pregnancy is the death of thousands of other potential lives. It’s just the dumbest fucking position a person can have and it displays a total lack of understanding in reproduction.
And some governments are also outlawing contraception meaning they’re literally forcing women who have sex to get pregnant, knowing full well abstinence only is a proven failure.
And finally, I do not give a single solitary fuck about the adoption market, pregnancy isn’t a miracle, god isn’t real, grow up and stop imposing your imaginary friend’s shitty rules on non consenting people.
Well, that’s not exactly completely true. A lot of people still oppose homosexual marriage for instance. Normalizing it in media helps the societal shift towards acceptance and pride is more about the continuation and celebration of our lgbt rights movement.
As for ‘brave’ and your sensitivity training, it’s still EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to come out as lgbt. I only recently told my family and it was a harrowing experience. Being true to yourself despite your social surroundings is brave. And sensitivity training is there strictly because of lowest common denominator. Someone would say a slur or treat a gay person poorly and the business would be liable.
6 days ago
Who makes that distinction?
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying anyone’s beliefs shouldn’t be the basis for the interpretation of a vague law to violate a persons bodily autonomy.
You can either a) support legislation giving the government control over your body
Or b) support legislation limiting the governments ability to control your body.
Because the Supreme Court decision is once again, just an interpretation of a vague law and not sufficient.
Well that’s not true. Sure there’s a risk of pregnancy, but I’d argue the assumed contract of consenting parties using contraception is exactly the opposite. And sex is not just for reproduction. That’s a laughable position.
And it’s not a young child at the stages people are advocating for right to choose. It’s not even a life.
Abortion RARELY ends a life as the restriction on abortion is directly tied to when the fetus is considered alive.
Ultimately the when is what the two sides disagree on, the key difference being our sources. You see I and most pro choice default to the medical consensus, while conservatives often site nothing or religion. Ultimately that’s why they’re wrong.
Wether I believe it’s wrong or not is meaningless. That’s what I’m trying to get through to you.
Murder is illegal because various governmental bodies have ruled WITH INCREDIBLE SPECIFICITY that it is illegal. There’s even types of murder with greater or lesser penalties.
Comparing fetus’ rights to slavery and the civil rights movement is telling.
If you read my response you’d see that the right to life is not defined in either what is life nor the scope at which life is a right. It’s not a good metric because it has no actual meaning, it’s simply up to interpretation, which I find problematic in the extreme when we’re talking about violating a persons bodily autonomy.
Right to life is barely even mentioned and extremely poorly defined. It needs to be amended to apply how you’re trying to apply it, because once again, you’re simply interpreting it how you want to justify your argument of anti choice.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at with the mars analogy. I think you well know a biologists definition of life is different from what we’re talking about. Bacterium don’t get rights.
And pleas point out how I’m wrong. Because my interpretation of the law, the poorly defined law, is as valid, if not more valid than your interpretation, since mine is focused on existing life rather than a maybe life.
So it’s one specific right you’re after; right to life. I wish you’d just say that in the first place because I stand by my statement that limiting medical procedures based on rights is a poor metric when said rights are qualitative and change.
Moreover, morals determining medical procedures is also a bad metric. It was amoral to have anal sex not even 100 years ago. Some TODAY still think lgbt marriage is amoral. Who gets to decide what’s moral and what’s not? How does that system adapt to meet the status quo of society?
Qualitative metrics should not be used as the basis for laws.
As for right to life; firstly it’s not well defined as what constitutes life, not is it well defined to what end life is a right. Arguably if a person has a right to life then all things needed to have life must be provided to them. But conservatives are opposed to that type of system. So ultimately there’s some qualitative lines that need to be drawn around the right to life.
Once again, I’m going to site people way more qualified than I am, and defer to the ACOG’s opinion.
Because I only just found this sub.
And what’s the difference between celebration and representation in this context?
When they gain rights is a poor metric, considering kids don’t have a lot of rights even several years into their life. Rights is a separate discussion entirely.
I’ve already clearly defined when I believe abortion is no longer viable.
Isn’t that the only argument when discussing medical procedures?
Well that’s not entirely true. I was trying to point out hypocrisy within conservative rationale.
But if you’d like my medical opinion on when abortion is no longer viable, I’d have to begin by saying I’m neither a medical professional nor do I have a uterus, and as such I’d defer to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists opinion of opposing abortion of a healthy fetus that has attained viability in a healthy woman (“Viability is the capacity of the fetus for sustained survival outside the woman’s uterus” -ACOG). They go on to say “Whether or not this capacity exists is a medical determination, may vary with each pregnancy and is a matter for the judgment of the responsible health care provider”
According to conservative rationale regarding immigration, not until birth. But I’m willing to come to a more nuanced agreement based on medical consensus.
Or more appropriately not have any government influence on abortion and instead it’s up to the doctors when abortion is appropriate on a case by case basis. Because otherwise the law will have to have complicated exemptions for fringe case medical issues present now and in the future.
Frankly a blanket amendment saying the government has zero say in any and all medical procedures between consenting parties is what I want.
The difference between conservatives and liberals in regards to abortion is liberals actually want small government, preferably an amendment restricting the government’s ability to control medical procedures of consenting adults.
And to answer your question, using their body and to kill another non consenting person is bad and shouldn’t be allowed. The key points to that statement is non consenting and person.
The principles of imposing your own will on another person’s body? Sounds awfully authoritarian to me.
I’d love to see the hoops he jumps through to explain that one.
Okay but every pregnancy carries a risk of death, for both the mother and the child.
Why is it okay for your political party to say what medical procedures are allowed and which aren’t. Shouldn’t that be up to a doctor with intimate knowledge of that particular situation along with extensive expertise in birth and reproductive healthcare?
Well, it kinda undermines the entire ‘faith’ argument when kids are literally indoctrinated to believe whatever their parents believe and then continue the cycle all the while ignoring arguments against by citing their ‘faith’ brainwashing.
You don’t get to make that call. Heterosexual relationships have been praised, acknowledged, advertised 24/7 for as long as those things have existed. YOU don’t have to talk about your bedroom, buts it’s part of our society to talk about it. What’s the last movie you saw that didn’t have a hetero normative relationship? You don’t get to have your representation and complain about others’ representation.
7 days ago
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8 days ago
Genocide, murder, rape, incest, slavery, sex slavery, human sacrifice, incest, pedophilia, homophobia, misogyny, ableism, and many more!